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Old 02-12-2012, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
First time posting on the L&G.
Welcome Oscar! Now I can hate Southwest Airlines from the convenience of the L&G.

If only I could figure out a way to put a picture of a small "IHSWA" t-shirt on the picture of a kitten... that would soooo illustrate this post...
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Old 02-12-2012, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
Two airlines ago we had AM trips and PM trips. Some like morning flying and being done early in the day, some the other way around. Better on the body clock as well when daily show times are kept consistent. I know this only helps commuters on one end coming or going but overall I think this stikes a good balance and is safer. Build efficient three day trips that a commuter can bid in pairs. In base guys historically like three day trips as well. With some massaging it could work.
I'd like to see something in the next contract that affords some extra pay credit for trips that aren't commutable. Basically if you start early on day one and finish late on your last day your losing 12 hours somewhere along the way.

I'm thinking instead of getting 5.15 hours of credit per duty day, maybe 3 hours of credit for every 12 hours of credit for each half of a duty day.
Just spitballing here.
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Old 02-12-2012, 05:22 PM
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Bob Crandall's return to American Airlines - YouTube

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Old 02-12-2012, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
First time posting on the L&G. I can't let the above in bold pass without saying CONGRATULATIONS to Ferd and his wife. 24 years and counting for me and mine.

Now where is that alter for sacrificing kittens that was built in ATL?

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Welcome to the L&G, Oscar! This is where the beer flows like wine and the underboobs instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano.

Everyone is welcome, just remember kittens are allowed to live here. It's the only way we can keep reasonable hope of keeping the FA's happy and getting left over crewmeals that don't make it to their cats.

Although if they don't have any cats.... then they don't have to steal the crewmeals to take home to their cats. You guys may be on to something...
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Old 02-12-2012, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
I'd like to see something in the next contract that affords some extra pay credit for trips that aren't commutable. Basically if you start early on day one and finish late on your last day your losing 12 hours somewhere along the way.

I'm thinking instead of getting 5.15 hours of credit per duty day, maybe 3 hours of credit for every 12 hours of credit for each half of a duty day.
Just spitballing here.
WRT the first paragraph, the purpose (or at least, the result) of this would be to incentivize the company to offer commuteable trips. As some of us agreed earlier, trying to design only commuteable trips, which isn't everyone's cup of tea. You might argue that I could fly one of the more rewarding non-commuteable trips, but I might argue they wouldn't make them.

End result: trying to pull the blanket too far one way. Fails.

WRT the second paragraph, it would be sufficient to have a certain ratio of credit time to TAFB, which I think our trip rig already does. I guess we would both be happy if that was improved?
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Old 02-12-2012, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by OscartheGrouch
First time posting on the L&G.
Oscar,

Welcome to the L & G about Delta forum.



Before you know it, all your "cat hatin' friends" (1S1E, Luv Jock, & Shoelu) will be here too!

Always welcome to the dark side,

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Old 02-12-2012, 06:02 PM
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It's not just the MX reliability. The Q400 has been available for sale since 2000. Out of a total production of 383 aircraft (including all the military models) I think there are less than 60 flying in the US, and Bombardier only plans to deliver 28 worldwide this year. Their production backlog is just 29 airplanes. Compared to CRJ sales during the same period the Q has not been popular with Bombardier's customers. PCL says the Q400 contract is the worst financial performer in their portfolio.

It's my opinion that we need additional scope language covering aircraft in this class with "nextgen" powerplants.
Flew the Q400 for ~2400 hours for QX. They had more experience with the airframe than any airline in the world and excellent in-house MX, and I think the very best dispatch reliability they ever saw was around 98%, and some months far worse. That said, if Bombardier ever does a rework that takes care of the Q400's reliability problems, it's a potential threat. It'll take 76 pax + bags without being very load-limited, trues out at 370 knots, and is relatively quiet for a turboprop. I thought it was more comfortable from a passenger standpoint than Horizon's CRJ700s.

It's my opinion that scope clauses from here on out should not differentiate between powerplant types. Jets and turboprops are starting to get hard to tell apart as the props gain blades and the fans get geared down with variable pitch.
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Old 02-12-2012, 06:04 PM
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How about pay by the duty hour?
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Old 02-12-2012, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
WRT the first paragraph, the purpose (or at least, the result) of this would be to incentivize the company to offer commuteable trips. As some of us agreed earlier, trying to design only commuteable trips, which isn't everyone's cup of tea. You might argue that I could fly one of the more rewarding non-commuteable trips, but I might argue they wouldn't make them.

End result: trying to pull the blanket too far one way. Fails.

WRT the second paragraph, it would be sufficient to have a certain ratio of credit time to TAFB, which I think our trip rig already does. I guess we would both be happy if that was improved?
I'm just thinking out loud here, but if two 4-day trips, which have identical show times, are worth the same in terms of pay credit, it doesn't seem right that one of those two rotations block in 12-13 hours before the other. I think compensated the longer trip accordingly will help alleviate some of theses issues.
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Old 02-12-2012, 06:07 PM
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ATR and Bombardier are both investigating 100 seat turboprops. I think Airbus was trying to get Embraer and ATR to combine on one.
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