Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Absolute truth. I've seen the results of them trying to do this in the ATL 320 category- the majority of the pilots want 1-3 days, and that's what they've done (along with a handful of 5 days that the commuters wanted). Granted the flying is pretty junky, but it's a new category, and I don't think they really know what they want to do with the plane yet.

There is a balance between giving some to the commuters and otherwise running an optimized operation. Nearly everyone wanted to be productive on the rotation survey... it would be nice to see the amount of well built rotations increase drastically.

They want to reduce the amount of credit in rotations and very commutable trips tend to have that. That part is what ends up costing everyone in the long run.

Originally Posted by nwaf16dude

So, today's the big day right? SWA's first ATL flights are supposed to be today. Anybody have a picture?

Originally Posted by johnso29

The funny part is this entire debate began because I said the reserve system should be more commuter friendly. It had nothing to do with rotation construction.

Originally Posted by Sink r8

Then what do you propose? Doing nothing?

That might actually work.

Personally, I thought the unintended consequences of the rotation surveys would include the inability to agree on what a good mix would be, the fact that Carmen probably can look for a certain outcome, but probably not a "good mix", and the probability we'd end up fighting among ourselves, over something we can't agree on, or change.

I think the rotation survey is probably going to make some people feel good, and not accomplish anything.

The best outcome could be to get rotations in a base to remain as consistant as possible, so that we can make semi-informed decision about the categories we're bidding, and leave us the hell alone otherwise. What's killing many of us is the uncertainty. What's the point of running away to be senior in a junior category, if you don't know what people might or might not lobby for, or whether they might or might not get it done?

So maybe doing nothing is OK, if the company would respond in kind, and not mess with categories as comprehensively and ferquently. Then we can leverage our seniority intelligently, for the best personal outcome.

Originally Posted by Sink r8

I don't commute, but I agree that the Reserve system is not commuter-friendly, and this is an area that can be fixed far easier than rotaion construction.

I think you could incentivize availability, and make everyone happy. What if you got the ability to bid ultra-long call (at home), but got paid a little less for each, or got less time off, than the guy who bids short-call? I'm not saying take something away from what we have now for the long-call guy, but I think you could weigh availability and pay/time off pretty easily, to design a system where everyone is bidding according to their commute (or lack thereof), and getting rewarded accordingly.

Originally Posted by Sink r8

I don't commute, but I agree that the Reserve system is not commuter-friendly, and this is an area that can be fixed far easier than rotaion construction.

I think you could incentivize availability, and make everyone happy. What if you got the ability to bid ultra-long call (at home), but got paid a little less for each, or got less time off, than the guy who bids short-call? I'm not saying take something away from what we have now for the long-call guy, but I think you could weigh availability and pay/time off pretty easily, to design a system where everyone is bidding according to their commute (or lack thereof), and getting rewarded accordingly.

Originally Posted by jbooser

I used to be a DL employee and I'm just wondering if the M88/90 lines are still combined or are they separated since DL is getting more 90's?