Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-12-2012, 07:53 AM
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Commuting
As a commuter I am sick of the commuter/ non commuter threads. We are expanding into the busiest most delayed airspace in the world (NYC), with fewer seats (econ comfort) and with that expansion creating hundreds of new commuters. Get over it. If you are not a commuter as it has been said before its better if you understand the plight of commuters and help better commuters lives too here's why.
The easier it is too commute the less we (commuters) will require contractual protections for commuters and guess what that means more attention paid to pay rates, schedules etc. If we are over 50 percent of the pilots at delta we have a majority.
Everyone will be affected if we operate less reliably canceled flights, more reserves working, more reroutes etc.
This commuter/non-commuter debate is very similar to other fights we have had within our profession that have had adverse effects for EVERYONE. Age 65, RJs and now big RJs.
the more we work together, learn together and support ourselves together the better we will be.
As a commuter I am sick of the commuter/ non commuter threads. We are expanding into the busiest most delayed airspace in the world (NYC), with fewer seats (econ comfort) and with that expansion creating hundreds of new commuters. Get over it. If you are not a commuter as it has been said before its better if you understand the plight of commuters and help better commuters lives too here's why.
The easier it is too commute the less we (commuters) will require contractual protections for commuters and guess what that means more attention paid to pay rates, schedules etc. If we are over 50 percent of the pilots at delta we have a majority.
Everyone will be affected if we operate less reliably canceled flights, more reserves working, more reroutes etc.
This commuter/non-commuter debate is very similar to other fights we have had within our profession that have had adverse effects for EVERYONE. Age 65, RJs and now big RJs.
the more we work together, learn together and support ourselves together the better we will be.
02-12-2012, 07:59 AM
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There are early morning departures from most (if not all) pilot domiciles. Those trips need to be covered...
I live in base and don't particularly enjoy 0-dark-thirty sign-ins. If my seniority allows me to hold trips with more gentlemanly sign-ins (AKA: commuter friendly) I will bid them if I want to. (I suspect many pilots who live in base will do so as well.)
I'm not out to screw someone, but sign-in time is one of the parameters I evaluate when I look at bidding. I'm not going to bid "crappy" trips so the more junior commuters have an easier commute.
If a commuting pilot don't have the seniority to hold commutable trips, perhaps they should consider bidding a category that allows them that ability.
02-12-2012, 08:00 AM
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Commuting
As a commuter I am sick of the commuter/ non commuter threads. We are expanding into the busiest most delayed airspace in the world (NYC), with fewer seats (econ comfort) and with that expansion creating hundreds of new commuters. Get over it. If you are not a commuter as it has been said before its better if you understand the plight of commuters and help better commuters lives too here's why.
The easier it is too commute the less we (commuters) will require contractual protections for commuters and guess what that means more attention paid to pay rates, schedules etc. If we are over 50 percent of the pilots at delta we have a majority.
Everyone will be affected if we operate less reliably canceled flights, more reserves working, more reroutes etc.
This commuter/non-commuter debate is very similar to other fights we have had within our profession that have had adverse effects for EVERYONE. Age 65, RJs and now big RJs.
the more we work together, learn together and support ourselves together the better we will be.
As a commuter I am sick of the commuter/ non commuter threads. We are expanding into the busiest most delayed airspace in the world (NYC), with fewer seats (econ comfort) and with that expansion creating hundreds of new commuters. Get over it. If you are not a commuter as it has been said before its better if you understand the plight of commuters and help better commuters lives too here's why.
The easier it is too commute the less we (commuters) will require contractual protections for commuters and guess what that means more attention paid to pay rates, schedules etc. If we are over 50 percent of the pilots at delta we have a majority.
Everyone will be affected if we operate less reliably canceled flights, more reserves working, more reroutes etc.
This commuter/non-commuter debate is very similar to other fights we have had within our profession that have had adverse effects for EVERYONE. Age 65, RJs and now big RJs.
the more we work together, learn together and support ourselves together the better we will be.
*If we keep having negative bids, I may be commuting again anyways. It's been said before: If one of us has a problem, we should all have a problem. The "me, me" mentality is mutually destructive.
02-12-2012, 08:02 AM
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My company, Pinnacle has major debt to Delta and is likely to declare bankruptcy in the coming months. We are starting to back out of the deal with United on the Q400's. After we declare, those Q400's will become Delta's property, it's anyone's guess what they do with them.
02-12-2012, 08:11 AM
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So, today's the big day right? SWA's first ATL flights are supposed to be today. Anybody have a picture?
02-12-2012, 08:14 AM
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I'll define a commutable trip as one with a mid-morning or later sign-in and a completion before the last flight of the night out...
There are early morning departures from most (if not all) pilot domiciles. Those trips need to be covered...
I live in base and don't particularly enjoy 0-dark-thirty sign-ins. If my seniority allows me to hold trips with more gentlemanly sign-ins (AKA: commuter friendly) I will bid them if I want to. (I suspect many pilots who live in base will do so as well.)
I'm not out to screw someone, but sign-in time is one of the parameters I evaluate when I look at bidding. I'm not going to bid "crappy" trips so the more junior commuters have an easier commute.
If a commuting pilot don't have the seniority to hold commutable trips, perhaps they should consider bidding a category that allows them that ability.
There are early morning departures from most (if not all) pilot domiciles. Those trips need to be covered...
I live in base and don't particularly enjoy 0-dark-thirty sign-ins. If my seniority allows me to hold trips with more gentlemanly sign-ins (AKA: commuter friendly) I will bid them if I want to. (I suspect many pilots who live in base will do so as well.)
I'm not out to screw someone, but sign-in time is one of the parameters I evaluate when I look at bidding. I'm not going to bid "crappy" trips so the more junior commuters have an easier commute.
If a commuting pilot don't have the seniority to hold commutable trips, perhaps they should consider bidding a category that allows them that ability.
As a commuter I agree it is your right to sleep in
I guess I've argued that the mix for commuters has more to do with the length/value of the trip. In other words higher value trips that cut down on the number of commutes that you do. If your junior, you get stuck with a hotel on one end or the other till you get more senior.I've always looked for that one day, 30 hour trip, that is hopefully commutable on both ends......just can't seem to find too many
Ferd
02-12-2012, 08:14 AM
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If DAL assumes those leases, I am sure they will have a DCI operator fly them. They are currently allowed to be outsourced under section 1. They will work well in NYC or SLC.
02-12-2012, 08:22 AM
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02-12-2012, 08:30 AM
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I flew parallel to the second arrival yesterday. They got 28, haha! We arrived on ramp 3 right after the first arrival got the fire truck hose down. I got a pic and will post it a bit later.
02-12-2012, 08:32 AM
Da Hudge
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I hate early morning reports on day 1... Sorry commuters, I like the later sign ins. 
. I don't care when it gets done, though.
. I don't care when it gets done, though.
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