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Old 02-06-2012, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
I don't believe managements motivation is a s sinister as you believe. For one, a few of the top guys weren't at Delta for C2K or the Comair strike. The issue is really related to appease financial types. All to often Employees and related expenses are viewed more the way the financial types look at "liabilities." And outsourced work or services are simply viewed as "operating expenses".

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I dunno. GoJets gets the LGA slots that we lobbied for. Recall that GoJets is the ALPA busting division of an airline with performance so low that Mullin cancelled them.

I think they laugh at us like they are kids with a frog in a kettle.

Grebbit, jeesh it's been hot in here for the last decade.

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Old 02-06-2012, 10:17 AM
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FA rumor alert. New retirement package with healthcare due out any day. Already a done deal.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:41 AM
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FA rumor alert. New retirement package with healthcare due out any day. Already a done deal.
Hmmm... That would work.
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jabwmu
Does anyone know if the "Preference Qualifiers" are an all or nothing deal? Suppose you want 1 or 2 day trips, reports after noon, block ins before noon, etc.

In order to be assigned a trip with "preference qualifiers" do they need to meet all of the qualifiers? Will it give the best trip that meets some qualifiers?

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Heyas Jab,

I assume you are talking about the Preference Qualifiers in the PCS, like if you are trying to WS/GS.

There are two deals with this, and it's a bit tricky....

If you go to the PCS menu, and then set your preference qualifers from that menu, then those preferences become GLOBAL, and they will be applied to any thing you do in the PCS.

If you go to the SLIP menu and enter date ranges (not specific trips), it will ask you if you want to use your global preferences, OR set another, which will ONLY be used by that request.

So, to answer your question, if you enter a WS/GS request, and set the qualfiers for only that request (either via globally or for that sepecific request), it will only give you those trips that meet ALL those requirements.

If you want relax your requirements a bit, you need to enter additional WS/GS requests, and then relax the preference qualifiers for each. Be sure to check the box that says "award only one preference, ignore the rest" unless you don't care how much it awards you (if you don't check the box, it will try to award from each request).

Hope this answers what I think you were asking....

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Old 02-06-2012, 10:44 AM
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I would be OK with giving guys retiring some medical coverage but it has to have A LOT of benefits for the junior guys. The senior group that wants early outs is directly responsible for the NEGATIVE turn our profession has taken, RJs, then bigger RJs, age 65, and at the union level continually selling out junior folks to benefit themselves at the top.
I am sick and tired of caving into them even if it means we move up a few spots.
Speaking of moving up a few spots since when do you think any kind of mass retirement will spur an equal amount of hiring, IT WONT. look at the numbers so far all an early retirement will do will let delta reduce headcount and capacity inline with retiring pilots. it will let the greedy guys pick up more with green and white slips and we will see a decling pilot workforce. PLus delta is not stupid they will hire at the last possible minute before the busy summer season and not a moment too soon. know what that means, capped reserve days understaffing, no trip trades, reroutes etc.
I say you want an early retirement fine then we need a LARGE pay raise first and then a minimum pilot floor has to be established so we dont get screwed again in the process
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
5) The pilots are doing a great job helping the company earn money.

Please remember number 5 when you see the TA.
Yeah we help so much they still are robotically trained to walk towards outsourcing like zombies. 60% of our flights being outsourced and we have to stay super cheap on a bankruptcy emergency contract with only cost of living adjustments and work rule tweaks and maybe some more scope relief? H. E. Cool J. NO!
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
That's not what happened. He was told NOT to score. They didn't want to score a touchdown with time on the clock so as to not give the ball back to Brady.

They wanted to run the clock down to a few seconds and kick the easy FG for the win and be done with it. The guy tried to stop short, but his momentum carried him in.
That's what we're told happened, and that's probably what he was told to do. But I think its pretty obvious that he could have stopped in time but his inner voice told him to score anyway. Being able to say "I scored a TD in the superbowl" versus intentionally downing it at the 1 YD line and giving all the glory to some D bag soccer player in undersized padding (and sometimes with a bare foot) that's protected by 45 yard penalties for lightly touching as he gently leaps through the air like Baryshnikov clearly over came him and he said "aw screw it, I'm doing this".
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
I called them to ask why my Delta Gold insurance hadn't covered it. They said, No ER coverage...
Um. What?


We have no ER coverage? That can't be right. Can it? Srsly?
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Re. the Tri Care post:

I did volunteer to serve, and served for 8 years, but to get Tri Care coverage, you have to be on active duty, (or Reserves) or retired AD, ie. put in 20 years.

But ultimately, who is it that's paying for your Tri Care?

The Civilians...you know, those other Tax Payers that don't have access to Tri Care.
Tricare reserve costs almost $200 for a family. It is not free. It is available to reservists who are still serving and have carried a huge part of the load during the longest duration of continuous conflict during any other time in American history. No flame, just a fact.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
I think it is time for ALPA to step up on a national level, engage other pilot unions and find a coop for a health care plan that would do just that, bridge these guys. I would pay $25/mo to move the lead at the top, that $25 would be realized 10 fold in upward movement. But it takes vision on ALPA's part (I put it in my survey and talked at length about it during two phone surveys).
I have a strong feeling many would agree with this type of assessment, I just think it should be reasonable and effective. Just sayin...
Only if it had a stipulation that gave all over 60 today, and in the future as soon as they turn 60, a very limited time to punch out. Otherwise we would be subsidizing a ton of guys retiring exactly when they were planning on retiring anyway. And most guys across the industry don't have a frozen A fund capped at age 60 so once that group punched out we would have stagnation again plus be on the hook for everyone retiring prior to 65 for personal reasons at the exact date they were going to do so anyway.
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