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Old 01-30-2012, 01:57 PM
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I do not think the junior guys will hosed with this new reserve system and this is why.

3. Now we have the new reserve system. Junior guys are worried that they will again do all the flying while the senior guys sit at home. I don't think this will happen for the simple reason that the company desires to spread the flying as evenly as possible. If, in fact, junior guys start flying a disproportionate amount wouldn't the company just fine tune the RAW buckets?

I thought the 80 RAW point bucket was variable and could be adjusted each month - is this not correct?

We can all speculate how this might play out but we really won't know for sure until we see this play out - probably through a whole annual cycle covering both the busy and slow months.
I think you're right. Two things that people have missed. If I'm a junior pilot with 4 days of availability and a senior pilot (who doesn't want to fly) with 3 days availability are both sitting in the same bucket - a 3 day trip pops up. The senior guy gets the trip - doesn't matter whether he wants to fly or not, it doesn't matter if the junior guy wants to fly,the trips still go in days of availability. (from my reading of the LOA).

Second, the buckets can be varied. I'm sure scheduling isn't going to want to end up with some guys reaching ALV (junior) while others (senior) aren't flying. I'm guessing the buckets will be moved around.

There is going to be some adjustments and I'm sure some unintended consequences. Sounds like FTB thinks there will be one with the bucket sizes - there may, he just liked to use his calculator and add up numbers doesn't he?
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Old 01-30-2012, 02:12 PM
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Whose your daddy? Buzz is your daddy!
Whose? Who's?
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Old 01-30-2012, 02:37 PM
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Doesn't matter. I already claimed him as my daddy.

I can't wait to move to SOCAL!

It's like the Fresh Prince of Bel Air, just, well, there won't be any rappers. Just wrappers. I don't use plates.

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Old 01-30-2012, 02:46 PM
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Every time I see Will Smith and "Rap" in the same sentence, I think of this

family guy will smiths clean rap - YouTube
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Old 01-30-2012, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
I think you're right. Two things that people have missed. If I'm a junior pilot with 4 days of availability and a senior pilot (who doesn't want to fly) with 3 days availability are both sitting in the same bucket - a 3 day trip pops up. The senior guy gets the trip - doesn't matter whether he wants to fly or not, it doesn't matter if the junior guy wants to fly,the trips still go in days of availability. (from my reading of the LOA).

Second, the buckets can be varied. I'm sure scheduling isn't going to want to end up with some guys reaching ALV (junior) while others (senior) aren't flying. I'm guessing the buckets will be moved around.
I agree with your last paragraph completely. They won't. I guess I'm pushing back not only because of how high the raw buckets were placed but also because of a response I got saying the purpose is to bring seniority back and the way I read it if that means some don't fly so be it. That's fine, but a better system is having half the pilots fly very little. A lower bucket score just seems a better system that would prevent lopsided raws... for the same amount of $.

Youre right, trips are assigned on the old system and new one by days of availability. 3-days go to 3-days available guys until they have to go to 4-day guy, no matter seniority or score, thus saving 4-day pilots for a potential 4-day pop up. I don't think that'll go away.

But, as far as wanting to fly I've got to check how buckets come into play. Can you go from bucket 2 and pick up a trip with guys still in bucket 1? Can you jump down and pick up 3-day trips with 5 days available? I didn't see that mentioned one way or another, just that YS would go in seniority order regardless of raw. I'm going to need to look.

No matter what, if a pilot wants to fly have at it no matter where you are imho. And making that seniority based is the most fair to me.

Originally Posted by iaflyer
There is going to be some adjustments and I'm sure some unintended consequences. Sounds like FTB thinks there will be one with the bucket sizes - there may, he just liked to use his calculator and add up numbers doesn't he?
FTB loves calculators because math hates FTB. But I'm out to warn the masses.



Although I'm only talking to the middle of the 30% that sit reserve. But we could all commute and we could all sit reserve, that's the rule right?
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Looks like a 757 went for a sleigh ride in DTW. Luckily, sounds like no damage or injuries:

Delta flight slides off runway in Detroit - CNN.com
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Looks like a 757 went for a sleigh ride in DTW. Luckily, sounds like no damage or injuries:

Delta flight slides off runway in Detroit - CNN.com
One would think CNN (not just them but others too) could find a newer picture for their articles about us

Anyone heard where on the airport it happened? Article reads like maybe 21L and Juilet.

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Old 01-30-2012, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
Looks like a 757 went for a sleigh ride in DTW. Luckily, sounds like no damage or injuries:

Delta flight slides off runway in Detroit - CNN.com
This is my favorite comment posted after the story. This guy obviously has his stuff together.


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I'll bet the reason it slid off the runway was it wasn't able to stop fast enough. The inertia of the plane was greater than the friction from the tire/brakes friction over the length of available runway.
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Old 01-30-2012, 03:45 PM
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This is my favorite comment posted after the story. This guy obviously has his stuff together.


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I'll bet the reason it slid off the runway was it wasn't able to stop fast enough. The inertia of the plane was greater than the friction from the tire/brakes friction over the length of available runway.

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Eventually it'll be on this site I'm sure,

The Aviation Herald

if you haven't been there go, it's interesting especially when you read about incidents with Delta jets.
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