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Old 01-26-2012, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by get there itis
It's not 60 new frames. We're retiring some A320's & some domestic 767's too. I believe it's 85 retirements so 15 additional frames. I'm guessing the A320's on operating leases are the ones to go.

Don't forget the DC9s...
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Those are the first round of aircraft leases they are refusing. There will be more.

I'll believe it when I see it in writing. Until then, it is just talk and rumor. Nothing more.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:00 AM
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ACL for jobs perspective vis-a-vis any airlines jobs base:

Just for the International Tom Bradley West expansion at LAX, 1 terminal out of 8, LAWA is quoting 40,000 local jobs, no taxpayer money.

LAneXt


With stats like that you probably will agree that any one airlines jobs are politically expedient, especially if they are partially picked up by new entrants or expansion by other airlines.

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Old 01-26-2012, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Well nut, maybe I should hang out here more then. I'm going to let you in on a secret! Shhhh. Don't tell anyone, o. k.? Not a DPA member, really.

And go take a baby asprin before you stroke out. It's a forum genius.
He's right though. There is a place for the ALPA bashers so that those of us that don't want to read any more of the doughnut propaganda can ignore... take it over there please.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:06 AM
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VG = Vortex Generator, an option on the newer -800 series


She looks uglier here than in orange/purple...
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TOGA LK
VG = Vortex Generator, an option on the newer -800 series

And just what are they supposed to do?
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:09 AM
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Talk is cheap... From Lee sitting in my jumpseat in '05 explain the line in the sand for 70 seaters. With 2000 pilots in North Atlanta and the MEC drawing the scope line in the sand. How about the LAX LEC reps telling the rank and file that the Code Share Section of the JC with Alaska would only be on the PDX & SEA routes to LAX. Now ask the LAX 73 boys what really happend. ALPA is not building much trust in our group.

I've flown with several ALPA people (Officers) lately, feeling me out for the possibility of us not seeing the openers. I told them that they should be careful, because there's a restlessness in this pilot group. It's a long way between opners and a TA, so they better put some thought into how they will deal with sending no information to our group.
We want to stay informed, but where the rubber hits the road is in the actions of ALPA..... We are watching.

Sounds like the contract survey will not be published, but the pilot group has a good idea of the results, I'm sure managment does as well. 2-4 % will not be seen as action with our group. It will be seen as a couple of numbers fluffed up with words to get us to buy off on them.[PHP][/PHP]

2-4% will result in the demise of ALPA as a representation organization fro the Delta Pilots...
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And just what are they supposed to do?
They reduce streamline drag by minimizing the amount of airflow that hits the windshields.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
They reduce streamline drag by minimizing the amount of airflow that hits the windshields.
Is the cockpit then quieter as a result?
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And just what are they supposed to do?
Lift at extreme angles of attack!

From my understanding, they energize the boundary layer of air ahead of the windscreens allowing for the layer to separate further behind the pilots or (and what I think), they break up the laminar airflow before the windscreens reducing the sheer (the rumble) you normally hear above your head.
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