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Old 01-26-2012, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Masters
Thats insulting.
OF course it is. Like he said.. it's likely to be their OPENER.
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
And just to expand on this, and not for your sake nut.

DPA support is like playing with gas. It might not hurt you until there is a spark.

Like an AMR acquistion spark.

They have 10734 pilots. 10734 APA pilots whose back is up against the wall. Everyone remember what that feels like??. Put them along with 3,000 or so DPA pilots and we have a real Goat F%&* Jamboree. It would make the USAir/AmWest/USAPA saga look like a friendly company picnic.

That being said though, DALPA needs change desperately.
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And perhaps the spark.
Agreed. The sum of the parts is a lot greater than the whole. Tom Horton is going to lay it out for the unions and tell them that the cuts need to be insanely severe is they want to remain a stand a lone.

DPA cannot deal with this. DPA could not deal with this thing going sideways and us seeing foreign ownership.

I also agree change and transparency need to continue to win the day at ALPA.
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
5 percent at signing and 4 percent each year through this month. Contract expires 31 Dec 2012. Openers will be exchanged in April. Total raises in LOA 19 equaled 17 percent without compounding.
So best case it was a cost of living extension, worst case a slight pay cut.
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Why? Using the numbers above, if we have 100 737-900ER's coming, and 40 757's retiring, I can stomach that. Can't you?

I'm not saying I know how the trade will unfold, but using the numbers in the post you were responding to, I wouldn't shed a tear over a transaction that yields 60 new mainline airframes.
The order is currently zero growth airplanes. There are 40-50 old A320s that are coming due for heavy checks in the next 5 years and plan is. Urged fly to replace those along with some 767's.
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
What % of pilots at DAL make this? What % of SWA pilots make this?
Not that the fact that we have a grand total of 16 747s and they have 500+ 737s for which they are all paid the same would have anything to do with it, but.....
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Why? Using the numbers above, if we have 100 737-900ER's coming, and 40 757's retiring, I can stomach that. Can't you?

I'm not saying I know how the trade will unfold, but using the numbers in the post you were responding to, I wouldn't shed a tear over a transaction that yields 60 new mainline airframes.
I think they are already planning to replace some older 320's and even a handful of 76's as well. IOW the entire order is "metal neutral".
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Pat yourselves on the back boys, that $1.2 Billion is just about what we gave up in our pay cuts to "...keep Delta (and NW) out of bankruptcy'...

Almost.

But not quite enough to cover all we gave up.

Good news, after your 42% pay contribution, every year, for the past 8 years...you'll get a whopping 4.5% back in Profit Sharing, so you got that going for you.

Timbo,
Thanks. I hope we all remember this when when the company so graciously issues those profit sharing checks next month. I am happy to get one, but, context is everything.
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Except for that pesky wing crack thing.
Buzz we flew around with wing cracks for years on the 141.
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I also agree change and transparency need to continue to win the day at ALPA.
ACL,

I COMPLETELY agree with you on this, though I would omit the words "continue to" as they imply that there is progress in these areas.

But (and Slow, Sailing, Alfa, etc please feel free to comment...)

DALPA, despite their claims to the contrary, isn't getting the message. Or perhaps they have received the message but are choosing to ignore it.

As a recent example of this I need only point to the whole FPL "cover up". Absolutely shameful and indefensible performance by DALPA.

Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong...
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Why? Using the numbers above, if we have 100 737-900ER's coming, and 40 757's retiring, I can stomach that. Can't you?

I'm not saying I know how the trade will unfold, but using the numbers in the post you were responding to, I wouldn't shed a tear over a transaction that yields 60 new mainline airframes.
60 new airframes??? Really???
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