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01-25-2012, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

DTW in 1989 with some Douglas DC-10-40 awesomeness:

Right seat on that was the easiest job I've ever had. Great airplane.

01-25-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

My friends hired at Southwest about the same time I started here are making $150,000 - $160,000 / year. I made less than $100,000 in 2011. A 50-60 percent pay raise is not going to happen. I don't think a 20 percent raise is going to happen. Actually, I really think we'll be offered something like a 30 percent raise over the life of the contract. Will I vote "no?" Of course I will. I think everyone will. I also think in 4 years, we'll be working for the same wages we are working for now. Now a 20 percent raise up front will pass. There's no doubt in my mind.

What's it called when you continue to get raises every year until the next contract is signed?

01-25-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Could you give me some examples of how pilot groups are playing tackle football and succeeding.? I don't mind changing tactics, but I have to have some evidence of success so you can prove to me your theory actually works.

This is my tally. If you take CAL, UAL, AMR, and LCC for the last four years, their total pay rates have increased by 1.5%, 1.5%, 1.5%, and 0% respectively. Our pay rates (including DC) have gone up by 27.5% on average in the same time frame and we added $750 million in merger stock. I see these great theories about how the hardball tactics are great, I just need some history of success to back up those theories.

OK. At NWA we did tackle football a lot. It was a way of life with that management team in order to stay near the top of the industry. UPS pilots have had to be almost as tough as we were, and UPS pilots are paid well. Same at FDX. SWA management did nothing about the scope violation that came with the AT merger...until SWAPA said you MUST get rid of the scope violation immediately. SWA management did just that. Delta pilots played tackle to defeat the attempted takeover by UsAirways...and it worked. Are those enough examples for you?

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01-25-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Things that make 80ktsclamp happy.

Miley Cirus and birthday cakes.

I gotta meet this Clamp guy one day.

Carl

01-25-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

So on your survey you put something well above 50% for a pay increase? And your expectations are consistent with what you put on the survey? Is that what you're saying, ACL?

This is really getting confusing.

It seems like there could be two ACL's posting here. One "ACL" seems to have really low expectations and the other "ACL" seems to have really high expectations (even higher than mine

). Did someone hack your account, ACL? Or maybe you're just practicing for a career as a DC politician?

My first clue that this may be his goal is the way he uses 37 paragraphs to say what could be said in one sentence.

Carl

01-25-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by contrails

Hold on a minute, just because DL doesn't have it doesn't mean it's a POS...I have read writeups on sites such as flyertalk about passengers now trying to book themselves on a 380 given a choice when it's convenient...after riding on it myself I must agree -- it is superior to everything else out there. Only the 787 might be able to compete in terms of cabin comfort.

DL needs to order some, or some 747-800s!

You mean the 747-8 that is range limited because a full tail tank causes flutter?

Just kidding, be careful what you wish for.

Right now DAL flies 2/3 of the EASK of the Transatlantic JV but is 6-8 percentage pointers below the EASK share of the European side.
Should Delta go to larger aircraft, and it will, the number of pilots required for Delta's Transatlantic service will go down significantly.
The most likely aircraft DAL will order near term is the 777-300 because it's seating capacity is right between the 744 and the 333. Unfortunately for pilot jobs it also has the most cargo volume of any of the others, even the A380. Since cargo capacity goes into the EASK formula, that means for production balance purposes one 777-300 will replace nearly 2 7ERs...

AFKLM/AZ plan for the next three years (2012-2014) to increase capacity by a just over 5% on a cumulative basis.
FWIW They did institute pay freezes at AF and reduced raises at KLM...
BTW How will the Alitalia Blue Panorama merger affect the production balance for the Transatlantic JV?

Cheers
George

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01-25-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

And you're still missing (or ignoring) my point. This is Delta, not NWA. The Delta pilots are (hopefully) looking for restoration of our pre-BK (pre-pay cut) standard of living. It has nothing to do with NWA, Pan Am, Western, or any other airline that Delta has combined with in the past.

Are you saying you don't think the NWA pilots should have been compensated the same as us when they became Delta pilots?

The sad part is that the vast majority of NWA pilots were paid better prior to the pay rates that came with this merger. Comparatively low line values, 70 hour reserve guarantees and the "winner take all" concept of green slipping made it where I broke even with my NWA pay rates just last year. Many other NWA pilots who've been displaced to a lower category are still making less now than they did at NWA.

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01-25-2012, 10:50 PM

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Talk about changing the subject.

I said nothing about tactics. I challenged you on your assertion that we've had a 27.5% restoration of our pre-BK (pre-pay cut) standard of living at Delta. Sorry, but that just doesn't fly. However, this flag does: