Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-18-2009, 03:20 PM
#8651
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
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You many not. Super, I hope that if we to furlough it is no more than a few 100. I have to say, the 2010 picture is not too Rosy.
We are giving ticket away. The only way to solve that is capacity cuts.
IMHO they are rewriting the flight plan and fleet plan. We will see how all of it plays out.
40 is the number of PERPS submitted thus far.
We are giving ticket away. The only way to solve that is capacity cuts.
IMHO they are rewriting the flight plan and fleet plan. We will see how all of it plays out.
40 is the number of PERPS submitted thus far.
Dont mind me......
06-18-2009, 03:27 PM
#8652
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: MD-88 FO
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Fact is that fourth year FO pay is better than you will find at almost any other job in aviation right now. Why? There are no jobs out there. This is going to be what you get if you have a desire to fly while on furlough from DAL.
It is a lot better than what my buddies at CAL are getting. Unemployment has run out and guess what, still no job. These are people with 8K hrs and 6K PIC 121. Great resumes, that have gone to find jobs in Wal-mart etc. You would be given a job, which is better than most furloughees get.
It is a lot better than what my buddies at CAL are getting. Unemployment has run out and guess what, still no job. These are people with 8K hrs and 6K PIC 121. Great resumes, that have gone to find jobs in Wal-mart etc. You would be given a job, which is better than most furloughees get.
06-18-2009, 03:38 PM
#8653
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: A330
Posts: 216
And making that statement fulfills every argument that DALPA has about brining that jet on the property.
Like the pay or not, we need that jet here. Words like these do not help.
Fact is that fourth year FO pay is better than you will find at almost any other job in aviation right now. Why? There are no jobs out there. This is going to be what you get if you have a desire to fly while on furlough from DAL.
It is a lot better than what my buddies at CAL are getting. Unemployment has run out and guess what, still no job. These are people with 8K hrs and 6K PIC 121. Great resumes, that have gone to find jobs in Wal-mart etc. You would be given a job, which is better than most furloughees get.
Thank the NWA brethren if you have the unfortunate chance to work at CPS, a job that they made sure was there for the mainline pilots furloughed from the mainline.
Yes it needs to improve, but it is better than nothing.
Like the pay or not, we need that jet here. Words like these do not help.
Fact is that fourth year FO pay is better than you will find at almost any other job in aviation right now. Why? There are no jobs out there. This is going to be what you get if you have a desire to fly while on furlough from DAL.
It is a lot better than what my buddies at CAL are getting. Unemployment has run out and guess what, still no job. These are people with 8K hrs and 6K PIC 121. Great resumes, that have gone to find jobs in Wal-mart etc. You would be given a job, which is better than most furloughees get.
Thank the NWA brethren if you have the unfortunate chance to work at CPS, a job that they made sure was there for the mainline pilots furloughed from the mainline.
Yes it needs to improve, but it is better than nothing.
It's not that I don't want to fly the plane. I too would like to see the plane at DAL. Turning into a commuter under their workrules and that pay, it just doesn't help. I know for sure my QOL would be shot. I personally would feel the need to find another job financially, and that is why I asked if it is possible to leave the flowback without resigning.
06-18-2009, 04:14 PM
#8654
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: The Beginnings
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It's not that I don't want to fly the plane. I too would like to see the plane at DAL. Turning into a commuter under their workrules and that pay, it just doesn't help. I know for sure my QOL would be shot. I personally would feel the need to find another job financially, and that is why I asked if it is possible to leave the flowback without resigning.
It's simple arithmetic: for many of us, a FO slot at Compass, particularly with a commute, would be more expensive than an actual furlough (where other local, non-aviation jobs could be pursued). I'm sure it's a fine job and a fine airplane, but getting 20-30k a year while commuting to a crash pad simply wouldn't make any financial sense for many.
06-18-2009, 04:15 PM
#8655
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B757/767
Posts: 13,088
It's not that I don't want to fly the plane. I too would like to see the plane at DAL. Turning into a commuter under their workrules and that pay, it just doesn't help. I know for sure my QOL would be shot. I personally would feel the need to find another job financially, and that is why I asked if it is possible to leave the flowback without resigning.
You may want to ask your Rep about this. I will have to check the LOA, but I think you could resign, but with some penalties. However, I DON'T think one of those penalties is losing your DAL #.
06-18-2009, 04:18 PM
#8656
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I'm actually curious as well. Is flowback MANDATORY, or optional? I.E., would furloughees be given the option of either taking a furlough or accepting a flowback position, and in either case be able to keep their Delta recall rights?
It's simple arithmetic: for many of us, a FO slot at Compass, particularly with a commute, would be more expensive than an actual furlough (where other local, non-aviation jobs could be pursued). I'm sure it's a fine job and a fine airplane, but getting 20-30k a year while commuting to a crash pad simply wouldn't make any financial sense for many.
It's simple arithmetic: for many of us, a FO slot at Compass, particularly with a commute, would be more expensive than an actual furlough (where other local, non-aviation jobs could be pursued). I'm sure it's a fine job and a fine airplane, but getting 20-30k a year while commuting to a crash pad simply wouldn't make any financial sense for many.
06-18-2009, 04:20 PM
#8657
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
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i dont think you can flow back and then turn around and resign due to the training costs. i'm not 100% sure though
06-18-2009, 05:03 PM
#8659
Doesn't Get Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,598
I'm not sure it would even be worth it to be a Captain there. Year 2 pay is $64/hr. That would be about $53K per year. I'm fairly certain I could find a job that could keep me home and make close to 50K. I've talked to some of their Captains and they say they almost always get 11 days off and virtually all uncommutable trips. The last guy I talked to said he was in his own bed 3 nights last month. If you live in MSP, DTW, or MEM then it may be tempting, but commuting to that would really suck. If you go there and don't like it what are the ramifications on your Delta recall if you quit? Now if we had Delta's contract to work under, then it would be worth it. Not worth it with the Compass contract, retirement, and benefits.
06-18-2009, 05:18 PM
#8660
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,057
After they announced another 5% capacity cut I began to think about the flowdown again. I've looked high and low on the dal.alpa.org website for detailed info on the flowdown, but I can only find references to the applicable NWA LOA.
Anyways, as I understand things, you can quit Compass and be ok, but if you are fired, no more DAL for you. I emailed my rep about this yesterday because coming from regional airline world, you learn to be skeptical about regional management and their ability to fire folks over seemingly small issues.
I wrote in regards to the firing policy (I wanted the verbage to change to allow you to keep your DAL recall rights). Got an email back from my rep saying to the effect that the DAL MEC is handling the Compass disiplinary issues etc... and that if you don't screw up you'll be ok. Not exactly the warm/fuzzy feeling that the language is going to change in regards to being fired from Compass. Could you quit five minutes before you get fired from Compass and still be ok? Lots of ??? to be answered before I'd flowback (hope that it doesn't come to this).
Any Compass folks care to comment on any disiplinary actions at the company?
Not that I'm planning on getting fired, but I don't want to screw up my whole career over a regional seat.
Anyways, as I understand things, you can quit Compass and be ok, but if you are fired, no more DAL for you. I emailed my rep about this yesterday because coming from regional airline world, you learn to be skeptical about regional management and their ability to fire folks over seemingly small issues.
I wrote in regards to the firing policy (I wanted the verbage to change to allow you to keep your DAL recall rights). Got an email back from my rep saying to the effect that the DAL MEC is handling the Compass disiplinary issues etc... and that if you don't screw up you'll be ok. Not exactly the warm/fuzzy feeling that the language is going to change in regards to being fired from Compass. Could you quit five minutes before you get fired from Compass and still be ok? Lots of ??? to be answered before I'd flowback (hope that it doesn't come to this).
Any Compass folks care to comment on any disiplinary actions at the company?
Not that I'm planning on getting fired, but I don't want to screw up my whole career over a regional seat.
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