Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-25-2012, 07:18 AM
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Also, as I have said before, AMR is a once in a lifetime change to change the global map of airline alliances, and the domestic feed structure. It really is too big for someone like RA to pass up. I am sure we have a max price for each asset we will pay, and if it goes beyond that we jump.
That said, I am sure RA has told UAL, LUV and LCC that unless they want to pay too much for what they will get, they all have to work together and play nice. We all go after what we agree to and keep the prices rational. I am sure that TPG is in the game to. The trick will to keep everyone honest.
RA has a plan B if they do not want to play this straight.
Again, we have to see growth out of this for the DAL pilots, not more stagnation. If this is done wrong, there is a possibility of that, and that is not something we want, not even for a 30% pay bump. It will make the pain less, but progression is the best key for success.
On another note many of the 320's that they are talking about have about five more years on them.
DFW is a geographic win for DAL. If they choose to go after all or part of it, it would bode well for larger lift to feed the domestic network. Read, less RJ's.
01-25-2012, 07:20 AM
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01-25-2012, 07:21 AM
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wait, are we going to talk about rumors concerning where Delta might go or where Tsquares Peyton Manning might go? 
Football is great tv, but talking about football is riveting.
I love the question though, is there anywhere you'd do organic growth!?
Football is great tv, but talking about football is riveting.
I love the question though, is there anywhere you'd do organic growth!?
01-25-2012, 07:22 AM
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I think we could press ACL for answers that RA wouldn't give.
So, where we going?
So, where we going?
01-25-2012, 07:23 AM
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That is way higher than I would have guessed and I just can't believe it. If its true though, and 600 are hired in 2013, permanant hiring will be the result (not including economic pulldowns which are very possible going forward) because 2014 starts the retirement waterfall that rapidly starts to build after that. Bring it on, but I still can't see 750 from the rest rules but we'll see.
That's still below SWA in rates but like many others have mentioned, the difference can be made up for in work rule improvements and I'm more concerned with scope at all 3 levels anyway. 20% even with positive work rules is a giant NO vote from me without at least some gains in all areas of scope (RJs, AS code share abuse and current and more importantly future JV's). Show me the scope.
Um, buy airplanes maybe? I mean its not like we're one of the largest airlines in the history of the world or anything. Did these 320s cycle out by suprise or something? What's next, we'll need to buy jet-A and pay landing fees? Who could have forcasted such unreasonable, unmanageable, rogue expenditures? As an airline if we need airplanes we need to buy or lease the airplanes we need.
If, after 80 years, this is suddenly become some unmanageable act of freakonomics then we need new managers who know how to buy or lease airplanes for an airline. I'm not against used planes, and would love to get the 71's that SWA is dumping anyway as well as the 20 or so in the desert, provided the terms are right. Other than those, I don't see very many used planes we would want.
A merger just to get the metal is some of the lamest stratedgy I've ever heard of. Yeah we get the metal, but we also get the current capacity its flying. Capacity we have to essentially pay to get along with the metal, and if we dump the capacity the LCC's and start ups will add every single seat we dump and we still have the costs of buying or leasing their planes anyway. If we merge with AA, in whole or in part, we get a ton of old metal that needs replacing anyway so back to square one and then some. Either way we need new planes and any manager or executive that pretends this is some crisis point is incompetent in this industry.
I don't see the point about a 2 year bridge deal regarding the new FTDT because the rules are what they are and there is very little relief we could give the company to help offset them even if we were in the mood to give up work rules. The only place I see is the 9 hour block unaugmented stuff, but if it remains true that time is a hard non waiveable 9 hours from throttle up of each segment like we're told it is, relief of our current 8 hour limit wouldn't amount to very much of anything and certainly not enough to warrant 2 years to think about it. IOW what is the incentive for the company for the bridge deal WRT the new FTDT's?
That's still below SWA in rates but like many others have mentioned, the difference can be made up for in work rule improvements and I'm more concerned with scope at all 3 levels anyway. 20% even with positive work rules is a giant NO vote from me without at least some gains in all areas of scope (RJs, AS code share abuse and current and more importantly future JV's). Show me the scope.
Um, buy airplanes maybe? I mean its not like we're one of the largest airlines in the history of the world or anything. Did these 320s cycle out by suprise or something? What's next, we'll need to buy jet-A and pay landing fees? Who could have forcasted such unreasonable, unmanageable, rogue expenditures? As an airline if we need airplanes we need to buy or lease the airplanes we need.
If, after 80 years, this is suddenly become some unmanageable act of freakonomics then we need new managers who know how to buy or lease airplanes for an airline. I'm not against used planes, and would love to get the 71's that SWA is dumping anyway as well as the 20 or so in the desert, provided the terms are right. Other than those, I don't see very many used planes we would want.
A merger just to get the metal is some of the lamest stratedgy I've ever heard of. Yeah we get the metal, but we also get the current capacity its flying. Capacity we have to essentially pay to get along with the metal, and if we dump the capacity the LCC's and start ups will add every single seat we dump and we still have the costs of buying or leasing their planes anyway. If we merge with AA, in whole or in part, we get a ton of old metal that needs replacing anyway so back to square one and then some. Either way we need new planes and any manager or executive that pretends this is some crisis point is incompetent in this industry.
I don't see the point about a 2 year bridge deal regarding the new FTDT because the rules are what they are and there is very little relief we could give the company to help offset them even if we were in the mood to give up work rules. The only place I see is the 9 hour block unaugmented stuff, but if it remains true that time is a hard non waiveable 9 hours from throttle up of each segment like we're told it is, relief of our current 8 hour limit wouldn't amount to very much of anything and certainly not enough to warrant 2 years to think about it. IOW what is the incentive for the company for the bridge deal WRT the new FTDT's?
Merging with airlines is not about metal specifically, but network feed and S-Curve benefits. AMR has new 737's that DAL could really use. The 777's would also be a benefit for our growth that is coming.
As for the requirement of new pilots, I suspect 350 tops. That is to international reserve requirements, and the fact that we are hard limited on daily time, and duty time over a specified time. That will hurt WS pickups to some degree.
01-25-2012, 07:24 AM
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01-25-2012, 07:32 AM
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I'm betting that IF he comes back, it will be to bring Andrew Luck up to speed, but with the $28M signing bonus he has coming to him this April, and the fact that the Colts are in a bind with salary cap.. I'm betting that he gets cut unless he can prove he is 100% by that date. If THAT happens, and he can subsequently come back to playing form.. I am hoping the Titans pick him up. How cool would THAT be?
01-25-2012, 07:33 AM
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Here is a quick comedy break for the morning. This was on family feud.
Name something a pilot holds while on a long flight. Trust me, its worth a click......
Family Feud 2011-"Pilots & Schlong" - YouTube
Name something a pilot holds while on a long flight. Trust me, its worth a click......
Family Feud 2011-"Pilots & Schlong" - YouTube
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01-25-2012, 07:38 AM
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Anyone know how to listen to the webcast on a Droid ?
01-25-2012, 07:39 AM
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"growing and diversifying our revenues, while taking a disciplined approach to capacity, costs and capital spending"
Sounds like more JVs and codeshares to me, if not a merger. What it doesn't sound like is buying airplanes and hiring pilots.
Sounds like more JVs and codeshares to me, if not a merger. What it doesn't sound like is buying airplanes and hiring pilots.
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