newKnow

1. You can tell the North Pilots who WERE based in:

HNL
LAX
BOS and
ANC and
SEA (first it was, then it wasn't then it was.....)

that commuting is a choice freely entered into.

2. The point of my ENTIRE post was that:
-a. We have already paid for things with our past concessions
-b. We should not have to ask for anything with the mindset that we have to give something up because of point a.
-c. Some of us should change this reverse quid pro quo mindset

I cannot hope to get you to support every issue of every segment of the pilot group, but I would hope that you could change that mindset. It will help us all in the end.

New K Now

forgot to bid

I commuted four years at Coex offline without CASS when they were slaughtering seating capacity. I've slept in crewrooms in the bowls of EWR at least 2 nights a week and spent my entire time off pondering how I'd get back to work and one instance going back to work 32 hours early. In that time I dealt with many a militant anti-commuter and their blah blah reasons why I shouldn't commute and why they wouldn't support a commuter clause... oddly enough mostly in CLE and IAH where there were far fewer commuters and the pilots were much more anal... go EWR!

I was blessed with the opportunity to work at DAL and in ATL which happens to be where I lived before. I commuted for a while, it was great with DAL, and if in the coming months and years I can't hold a single seat in ATL I'll commute again.

I'm a family comes first guy, so I understand why commuting is necessary and I'm against ever being told someone shouldn't. I'm for helping make commuting easier. I'm all for searching out every commuter in the gate house. I'm for 5 and 6 day trips in bases that have a large commuting group. I'm all for flying fast on the last leg and so on and all of scheming my way to early outs and early ons and ins. If a commuter related clause is going to cost us something in the contract, I'm still for it.

But I will say, commuting takes, if not destroys, all of the fun out of the job. I'm here for ya if you're commuting but I sure hope I don't have to do it again and that nobody else has to do it again involuntarily.

dtfl

You mean the culture of non-rev pleasure travel having priority over those going to work? :-0

I still think commuters should get SOME advantage as we are going to FLY the Non Revs. S2B or C or something when going to work.

I see your point but also see another side - this would alleviate the loss of sleep from trying to commute for HOURS..so it would show the NTSB the company was on board - trying to help commuters. Just my $.02.

dtfl

WHY does everyone at DAL think like this? WHY do we have to GIVE UP anything for this???

That's like me voting down a contract that enhances health care for retirees since "I" am not retired. We need to stop thinking about "ME" (The Delta way evidently) and think about "US"

Newknow.....I am on board with your FNWA ideas. Bring em on! Change is good

(BTW - love the avatar...would love to see the band in concert)

alfaromeo

+1. The DAL-N policy makes sense from a pilots perspective and from a business perspective. One canceled flight = lots of lost revenue. I have never commuted, but with the merger you can never say never. I hope Flight Ops sees that the North policy is far superior, if not now then sometime soon.

dtfl

double post

1234

While a lot of pilots choose to commute for personal reasons and enter into the job with eyes wide open, there are also some pilots that have moved multiple times in order to live in base and then a couple of years later (just after getting settled in) the company closes the base.

CTIIpilot

I disagree with the commuting is a choice ideology in the current environment. Considering that nobody can tell me if I will have a job in 3 months or where I will be based in 6 months, I think it is the only responsible option for me right now. I know my reserve squadron isn't moving and they aren't furloughing. I would love to not commute but with the real estate market the way it is combined with the uncertainty in job security it is a necessary evil that I currently face.

Being at the bottom of the seniority list and living in a place where people like to go on vacation does make it difficult to go to and from work. Combine that with the closest airport operation just changed over from ASA to Mesaba which has not been a smooth transition makes it even tougher.

Looking forward to the day where the stability will support the move to base.

johnso29

By the very nature of getting synergies & route utilization you could very well find yourself commuting in the near future through no choice of your own. Perhaps your tune will change then.

remlap

I've been at two bases that have closed. I've tried commuting. In the end, I moved. It was a choice. If they move your equipment, you either bid onto something else, up or down, you commute, or you move. The choice is yours.

Don't ask us to sacrifice because your wife wants to live next door to your mother in law.

Commuting is a choice.