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"What do you know about whats going on at Delta," "wow, I really am hoping," "its the same as pre 9/11" "USAir sucks" "how many?" "what are they looking for?" "what plane and bases" "cog test?" "how many more" "more hiring?" "congratulations" "PRIA" "What are they asking?" "what did they get?!?" "I GOT THE CALL" "I haven't been called :-( ..." "what is NYC like?" "so I filled out my application" "is 9999 more senior than 0000?" "psych test blows" "what would you do" "do you think..." "ER!?! ***" "CLEARED TO TRAIN" "has Brian called you?!? I'm dieing here..." "long call vs. short call and can I non-rev on DCI?" "whats this about Northwest?" "I was told a variety of planes and a variety of bases" "Is that for real? I doubt it" "increasing the class sizes!" "AE coming" "so what if we do merge" "northwest stopped hiring?" "we're going to stop hiring, but its okay..." "DC9" "its true" "DC9" "AE" "we're not going to do it, Lee said no" "AE is coming I promise" "it's on again" "DC9 DTW" "777 AE no backfill, that blows" "so, we're going to merge... " "DC9" "AE" "SO... SOC"

And that was just to around the first 130 pages when new hire classes ended, around 160 or so its on to merging and that was July and August of 2008. We now sit at 826 pages a little less than a year later.

Did you know this thread went two months without a single comment from 5-09-08 to 7-07-08?

remlap

My guess as to the popularity of this thread is the heavy hand of the forum nazis at DALPA.

It is interesting to note that apparently Wilson Polling is asking about the forum in their latest poll. DALPA can try to shut it down, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Guess where the commentary is going to migrate?

newKnow

I fixed it. It's below.

newKnow

Sailing,

I am not trying to pick on you, but I will use your quote because I see these exact statements coming from many DAL-S guys all the time. My question is, why are these defeatest statements coming from a pilot group who has given up SO much in the last 10 years? I know we have some guys on the DAL-N side with the same attitude, but just seems there are not as many.

As pilots, no other employee group has given up as much over this period of time. Our pay is basically 1/2 of what it was. Our pensions are effectively gone. Our work rules are a shadow of what they used to be.

So, I really don't care what the culture is at DAL --or the Former NWA-- they need to adjust their culture to start making up for these past concessions that were not matched by any other employee group.

For every year that a pilot lives past 60, these past concessions will cost him close to $100,000. That more than pays for a little priority to get to work.

All I'm saying is that we should not ask for a superior commuting policy, over the other employee groups, we should should be demanding it.

Or, is it that I do not fit into the DAL culture?

New K Now

shiznit

Could this be a harbinger of DAL getting close to closing a deal on the MD-90's????


China Eastern has 9 MD-90's according to wikipedia, and is merging with Shanghai Airlines so cutting a fleet type may be where some of the "merger synergies" come from......

mxav8r

well newKnow it's clear to me that you don't fit in and need to take the PERP ...I kid, I kid

p.s. I am totally on your side. Tired of hearing "that's not how we do it at Delta"

alfaromeo

That's funny, when I read the forum over there, it is the same 15 people saying the same things over and over again. They are almost always critical of the union. The true problem is liability. Routinely, pilots will post things advocating illegal activity. The union has been successfully sued over these postings and it is quite expensive. It is also expensive to constantly monitor pilots who refuse to honor the agreement they sign when they log on. If the ALPA forum shuts down, it will be because of the cost, which in no way is justified by looking at what goes on there. I think by now everyone has figured out that this internet thing is not just a fad, so no one is kidding themselves in thinking that pilots won't find an outlet, they just don't want to pay for it.

The funny part will be when pilots start to come here or other forums to encourage illegal activity (sick out, no overtime, etc.). Then this forum will be subject to subpoena and your secret identity will no longer be secret. Generally, the web board is not liable for damages but they could be subject to a court order which would make them responsible for future postings.

I think the true popularity of this thread is that there are real discussions. The thread is not owned by those 15 or so DALPA forum regulars that quickly devolve every discussion down to name calling. Look at any web board hosting a lot of US Airways pilots and you will see the same dynamic that occurs on the DALPA forum. It is just that same few pilots saying the same few things day after day after day. Nicolau, windfall, DFR, USAPA. Boring.

The true DALPA forum Nazis are those 15 regulars who quickly beat down anyone who disagrees with their world view: ALPA is responsible for all world problems and if we were just tougher, the skies would part and we would all live in opulence. Boring and expensive.

Superpilot92

its definitely a good sign

remlap

As a DAL-S guy, I have commuted twice in my career. I finally decided to move. Commuting just wasn't worth the hassle. Commuting is a choice freely entered into. Don't expect me to support any change in the commuting policies that will cost me anything in any future contracts. It's just the way it is.

You figure out some way to make it no cost, I'll support it.

Superpilot92

Commuting isnt always a choice freely entered into and many will soon find that out the hard way. What if DAL moves your plane out of your base or if your seniority wont hold your base any longer "due to the merger"? I'd gladly move to a base if i was 100% positive i could stay in that base.

Alot of the DAL-S "non-commuters" may just find themselves commuting in the near future which will change that thought process.