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Old 01-19-2012, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Sifting through the awards for FEB I notice a guy with Terciary and Quaternary vacation with a seniority number of almost 12,000?

How is it possible for someone with less than 5 years seniority to have 4 weeks of vacation?
Inter-company transfer is a possibility.
It's very common among the flt attendants. They have lots of former gate agents, res agents, etc.
Much less common for us but we do have a handful of pilots who were once mechanics or flt attendants, etc.

They keep their original seniority for vacation bidding and non-revving.
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Old 01-19-2012, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Inter-company transfer is a possibility.
We have a handful of pilots who were once mechanics or flt attendants, etc.

They keep their original seniority for vacation bidding and non-revving.
Ahh. Mystery solved. Thanks
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Old 01-19-2012, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TheManager
Anyone able to get on iCrew? Appears to be down, again.
FA skeds probably just came out.

FWIW, EasyBid works just fine.
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Old 01-19-2012, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Inter-company transfer is a possibility.
It's very common among the flt attendants. They have lots of former gate agents, res agents, etc.
Much less common for us but we do have a handful of pilots who were once mechanics or flt attendants, etc.

They keep their original seniority for vacation bidding and non-revving.
Correct. Lots of these over the last few years. Many were on leave up to the morning they came to new hire class as a pilot. They cancel their leave and show up to class without ever stepping in to their old job.

They have also transferred or given credit to other employees from ASA and the like. Had a few friends who were ops agents that came to DAL in 2007. They all got credit for their yos for pass benies and vacation.
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Old 01-19-2012, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
...The A380 -- developed at an estimated cost of 12 billion euros and built in Britain, France, Germany and Spain -- has enough room on its wings to park 70 cars and a wingspan of 79.8m (261ft 10in)...


No wonder the wings are cracking - the idiots are parking cars on them.
Europeans do weird things. But generally we copy them so I think it wont be long til we park cars on the wings of our aircraft. For those who live in South Georgia and pride yourself on your trucks ability to go muddin' then getting on top of a CRJ200 wing will be very easy.
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Old 01-19-2012, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cavalier
Like I said, I welcome the transparency to assignment of SC's. I just hope the language leaves some flexibility in there to allow schedulers to continue to use guys with multiple days of availability. I figure it will as I have a hard time believing that they would sign anything that did otherwise.

I think you are correct in your assertion that when things pick up the system will make more sense. As a junior guy I just hope that slow times are slow for everyone not just a few I think the use of YS'ing will be even more important now for the junior rsv pilots.
Just got off the phone with ALPA schedualing guy, they think new system is wonderful and have no idea that many of us will be adversely affected. My category is overstaffed and not many will be able to leave the eighty point bucket, even if they are first up everyday. I've gone from line holder to junior reserve within the last year. I did not choose this, just making the best of it.
I think the eighty point bucket is too large, one four day trip should at least get you into the next level. If you agree call DALPA, as far as they are concerned they just hit a home run.

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Old 01-19-2012, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Tab Flyer
Just got off the phone with ALPA schedualing guy, they think new system is wonderful and have no idea that many of us will be adversely affected.
Well, to be fair, the whole reason for negotiating this LOA was so that those "adversely affected" are affected based on seniority, and not on an arbitrary and opaque basis.

Naturally, junior guys who were able to tweak the system and get better deals (often at odds with their seniority) may feel some discomfort in the pants. But frankly, I'm glad that the system will more accurately address seniority.
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Old 01-19-2012, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
Well, to be fair, the whole reason for negotiating this LOA was so that those "adversely affected" are affected based on seniority, and not on an arbitrary and opaque basis.

Naturally, junior guys who were able to tweak the system and get better deals (often at odds with their seniority) are in for some discomfort. Frankly, I'm glad that the system will more accurately address seniority.

Seniority should rule, Tab, don't you agree?
No one was "tweaking" the system. Furthermore, I have no problem with seniority weighing more heavily but as Tab pointed out, if you are in a fat category, I fear that a few of us are going to be doing virtually all the work all month long. Should a junior guy be either sitting SC or on a trip almost every day of availability while the top 10-20% of reserves do at most 3 SC's a month? 80 raw is pretty high in a lot of categories right now. That's my issue. The number should be more like 50-60 allowing a trip and a SC or two before we inconvenience a senior guy to go fly.
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Old 01-19-2012, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by The Cavalier
Should a junior guy be either sitting SC or on a trip almost every day of availability while the top 10-20% of reserves do at most 3 SC's a month?
To play devil's advocate: Should a junior guy have to do all the 30 hour FAR layovers/redeyes/(insert your category's bad deal here) while the top 10-20% take all the day turns or 3-day Rome trips?
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Old 01-19-2012, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by More Bacon
Well, to be fair, the whole reason for negotiating this LOA was so that those "adversely affected" are affected based on seniority, and not on an arbitrary and opaque basis.

Naturally, junior guys who were able to tweak the system and get better deals (often at odds with their seniority) may feel some discomfort in the pants. But frankly, I'm glad that the system will more accurately address seniority.
In three months, after they have increased the flying by more than twenty-five percent, I'll be a senior reserve. I'll still will have issues with the size of the buckets. Back in the old days we had a higher guarantee, move ups and SRLs. Now it's just seventy hours pay and god help you if you are the junior guy in an overstaffed category.
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