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Old 01-12-2012, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to me that reserves should be paid 2 hrs more for doing their job.

You mean kind of like when I do an out and back on reserve worth 3 hrs while the guy sitting next to me gets 5:15?
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
That's not what I said. I want to get paid the exact same per trip as a lineholder.
My point exactly.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Oh, hell yes, I'd support it...I'd love the money. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense to me that reserves should be paid 2 hrs more for doing their job (while line holders nod in agreement?); and the reason for doing it is to help commuters out? My point is it doesn't achieve that because you'd have guys commuting for an extra 12 hours a month. Maybe you've just suckered me in to this argument that is actually intended as flame bait for someone like Pineapple Guy.
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You mean kind of like when I do an out and back on reserve worth 3 hrs while the guy sitting next to me gets 5:15?
Well, no. I don't believe a reserve pilot should get 2 hrs more for each SC he pulls just as much as I don't believe a line holder should get paid more for flying the same trip. Good point. I think that disparity is an outrage.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:49 PM
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Old 01-13-2012, 12:48 AM
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
As one of those forced to commute guys, Id say it would be nice to have pure SC lines and pure LC lines. SC would pay a 5 hour premium over LC. It would allow commuters a better QOL in most cases. If you live 5 minutes from the airport you get more money doing SC allow guys like me to stay and not worry about having a couple of brews at dinner.....

Just sayin...
They would have to pay me a whole lot more than an extra 5 hrs to be on SC all month.
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Call the MEC Treasurer. Ask him how they compute the average.

Ask him what set of data that they use, and if any of the data is removed...specifically, if any lines below a certain value are excluded from the average.

If you eliminate all of the lines that are less than, say, 70 hours, you'd be surprised how the average changes, especially when a LOT of lines that PBS generates are less than 70.

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I'll buy that - it's amazing what you can do with numbers if you want to tell a certain story. If you've ever taken any stat courses you need to see all the numbers and inputs to judge the final product so who knows. I've had a number of months when I've had lines less than 70 and I'm not big on picking up extra time (I'm lucky with a full Mil pension).
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187
So say that Delta does acquire AMR. Do we the bottom of the list guys have to worry about furlough? What happens to the AMR pilots? Anyone care to throw out an educated guess? Bar? FTB?
Cni,

To the best of my knowledge, this is still way too far out to calculate and I think a "merger" is unlikely. Second hand reports from the LCA are that even with further transatlantic capacity cuts we are likely to ramp up hiring towards the end of 2012.
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Old 01-13-2012, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
How is the average line pilot getting 85 hours of pay a month with our rules. ALVs in the 70s, not a whole lot of open time, working 15+ days a month just to hit ALV (at least with the trips out west). Now if we had SWA rules with 6.0 hours min credit/DAY (means only 12 days of work for 72 hours) I could certainly see earning a lot more. Not to mention how do you make up for only 3:15/day of vacation/training. When I was hired I was told you could figure your pay by multiplying your pay rate by 1000 (in other words 1000 credit hours/year). BUT, that was back in the line of time days, trips touching for vacation (one week of vacation could turn in to three weeks off and could then pick up even more money if you wanted by picking up some more trips). Would love to know where the average line pilot is getting 85 hours (certainly not in the LAX base).

Sorry to join the discussion late, but some pilots ran up some big numbers last year with GSs and high credit/deadhead trips. I had one month over 200 pay hours (on 75 hours of block)
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Old 01-13-2012, 05:01 AM
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One benefit of extra pay for SC would be to encourage crew scheduling to only put on SC the number they realistically need.

A few years back, they were putting 12 a day on SC on the 767-400, with a res req of 4. When I asked the head of scheduling about it , he said "because we can".

Make them pay
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