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Old 01-12-2012, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That's probably too far off to guess. An all out merger would require a new JCBA and thus hopefully more furlough protection. The SLI would be interesting... probably pretty much relative would be the result. It can't go date of hire since we aren't date of hire over here to begin with. Fragmentation of them would be ugly ugly ugly.

I personally give the whole thing a 5% chance of happening. I think it's just to run the price up.
Yeah I figured as much but just wanted to throw the notion out there.
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Old 01-12-2012, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cni187
So say that Delta does acquire AMR. Do we the bottom of the list guys have to worry about furlough? What happens to the AMR pilots? Anyone care to throw out an educated guess? Bar? FTB?
I'll bite. We are about 800 pilots overstaffed at the moment and have about 800 retirements through 2016. That being said, a merger with AA and the ensuing consolidation will send the junior 15% or so packing for a very long time. Add in the contract language allowing 3 76 DCI planes for each mainline aircraft above a specified amount, the DCI aircraft arent required to be reduced when mainline shrinks back down and the fact that our domestic network is largely contracted out already........

Not buying it? 12,600 pilots at the merge, DC-9s, 747-200s and several 757s have been parked/sold and we are barely at 12,000 now and overstaffed. 787 deliveries cancelled too. We are far from safe without a merger.

You get the idea.
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Old 01-12-2012, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
According to the ALPA insiders, the average line pilot gets 85 hrs of pay each month. If that was actually true, then it wouldn't be lower.
How is the average line pilot getting 85 hours of pay a month with our rules. ALVs in the 70s, not a whole lot of open time, working 15+ days a month just to hit ALV (at least with the trips out west). Now if we had SWA rules with 6.0 hours min credit/DAY (means only 12 days of work for 72 hours) I could certainly see earning a lot more. Not to mention how do you make up for only 3:15/day of vacation/training. When I was hired I was told you could figure your pay by multiplying your pay rate by 1000 (in other words 1000 credit hours/year). BUT, that was back in the line of time days, trips touching for vacation (one week of vacation could turn in to three weeks off and could then pick up even more money if you wanted by picking up some more trips). Would love to know where the average line pilot is getting 85 hours (certainly not in the LAX base).
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL73n
How is the average line pilot getting 85 hours of pay a month with our rules. ALVs in the 70s, not a whole lot of open time, working 15+ days a month just to hit ALV (at least with the trips out west). Now if we had SWA rules with 6.0 hours min credit/DAY (means only 12 days of work for 72 hours) I could certainly see earning a lot more. Not to mention how do you make up for only 3:15/day of vacation/training. When I was hired I was told you could figure your pay by multiplying your pay rate by 1000 (in other words 1000 credit hours/year). BUT, that was back in the line of time days, trips touching for vacation (one week of vacation could turn in to three weeks off and could then pick up even more money if you wanted by picking up some more trips). Would love to know where the average line pilot is getting 85 hours (certainly not in the LAX base).

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See post 85644 on the previous page. Note - Not the average line pilot - the average DAL Pilot, which includes the DALPA guys and the training department.

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Old 01-12-2012, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I do find it amusing that this is what Delta.com says about the new LGA routes: A portion of travel for some itineraries may be on the Delta Connection® carriers: Atlantic Southeast Airlines, Chautauqua, Comair, Compass Airlines, GoJet, Mesaba, Pinnacle Airlines, Shuttle America and SkyWest.

9 airlines. We're playing with fire.
9 Airlines, and this is after BigSky, ACA, and Freedom took themselves out of the game.

Will Eagle become number 10?
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:25 PM
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9 Airlines, and this is after BigSky, ACA, and Freedom took themselves out of the game.

Will Eagle become number 10?
Eagle will hardly be relevant after this ordeal...
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
You want reserves to get a lower guarantee?
Guess you haven't flown reserve in a while.
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:29 PM
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Nevermind, it didn't sound funny anymore when I read it a second time.
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:31 PM
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. Can you help a brother out?
Rock on Captain Hooters!
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Old 01-12-2012, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
I think we should be able to bid SC and get paid an extra 2hrs above guarantee if we do it. It would help those who live in base pick up some extra cash and save those who commute a few hotel rooms. Great for all.

I for one live in base and would bid to do 6 days of short call every month if I got 2hrs above guarantee for each of the six days.
Can't say that makes much sense to me. I'm not even a line holder. I don't even live in base! But for 2 hrs a day for SC I'd be volunteering to commute in for SC. I think there a bigger fights to fight; fights that would have support from more of the pilot group. This, I'm afraid doesn't pass muster in the regard. I do like the RAW score credit for SC, though.
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