Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-17-2009, 12:19 PM
#8551
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so would you suggest farming that flying out then? 
The rates haven't been set for the C-series, why write it off already? The nine flying is going to be replaced by something and that something SHOULD be at mainline.
The attitude that its "not good enough" is what has destroyed this industry (the "RJ" being below us). That plane will be very capable and thus the pay should come with it. Whatever replacement plane comes from here on out it needs to be flown by us! Fight for the pay when its here cause once its gone ITS GONE! If the majors write off this next version of the 100+ seaters then say goodbye to YOUR Airbus flying.
The rates haven't been set for the C-series, why write it off already? The nine flying is going to be replaced by something and that something SHOULD be at mainline.The attitude that its "not good enough" is what has destroyed this industry (the "RJ" being below us). That plane will be very capable and thus the pay should come with it. Whatever replacement plane comes from here on out it needs to be flown by us! Fight for the pay when its here cause once its gone ITS GONE! If the majors write off this next version of the 100+ seaters then say goodbye to YOUR Airbus flying.
06-17-2009, 12:20 PM
#8552
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The law of equilibrium will eventually win out as we still have "relative new hires" in large equipment. The lnewest hires got put back to NB's in the Jan displacement. Every bubble eventually pops and comes back to normal. Happened in the dot com bubble, the real estate bubble, and even the tulip bulb bubble hundreds of years ago. We will eventually look like a traditional airline with vets on the large equipment and newbies on the narrow bodies. It just is that way. Of course we will not look as old as the NB FO's on USAir.
06-17-2009, 12:22 PM
#8553
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Now that I'm a senior CA, fu%^ everybody else...huh?I'd much rather fly that at DAL than fly a similar size plane for much less and worse work rules at Compass or be on the street furloughed. The exact same attitude (we are too good to fly smaller planes) is what started the regional jet industry in the US.
06-17-2009, 12:36 PM
#8554
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The law of equilibrium will eventually win out as we still have "relative new hires" in large equipment. The lnewest hires got put back to NB's in the Jan displacement. Every bubble eventually pops and comes back to normal. Happened in the dot com bubble, the real estate bubble, and even the tulip bulb bubble hundreds of years ago. We will eventually look like a traditional airline with vets on the large equipment and newbies on the narrow bodies. It just is that way. Of course we will not look as old as the NB FO's on USAir.
Are the NWA guys going to willingly commute to NYC to fly the 330 and ER. It is a nightmare commute. Crash pads are expensive, and you are always delayed. Is that how you want to spend you time???
Most DAL guys figured out a commute was not worth it. Hence the reason the ER went so junior.
I bet the ER, and 767 will be 10-15 years of active time (99 hires or earlier) to hold here in the not so distant future. (Not reserve but a line holder) Right now that is a 2001 or late 2000 hire
06-17-2009, 12:48 PM
#8555
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[quote=acl65pilot;630390]Depends.
Are the NWA guys going to willingly commute to NYC to fly the 330 and ER. It is a nightmare commute.
Actually, a SURPRISING number of fNWA guys live in the Northeast. I've read on this forum many times, how worried that the ATL guys are that they will be "overrun" by transfers. I think that the NYC guys have more to worry about in this vein than the ATL, SLC, or LAX guys.
Are the NWA guys going to willingly commute to NYC to fly the 330 and ER. It is a nightmare commute.
Actually, a SURPRISING number of fNWA guys live in the Northeast. I've read on this forum many times, how worried that the ATL guys are that they will be "overrun" by transfers. I think that the NYC guys have more to worry about in this vein than the ATL, SLC, or LAX guys.
06-17-2009, 12:58 PM
#8556
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06-17-2009, 01:04 PM
#8557
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The Captains I fly with upgraded relatively quickly and stayed there. If you think the Delta model is the same as the US Air model (or the NWA model) I sure hope that you are wrong.
If you are right, there is no reason for people to come here. Frankly, the WB new hires are still making less than they did flying RJ's.
With Delta's positioning and NWA's retirements my forecast for this career is quite a bit rosier than yours. Sure hope that I'm right. Aviation is still a growth industry over the long term and slightly exceeds the global 4% annual increase in GDP. Things are just ugly right now.
06-17-2009, 01:44 PM
#8558
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Buck,
While I agree with the age, TT and 121 PIC, I am going to have to call BS on the Masters degree. I would bet that about less than half, probably 25-30% maybe had a masters. For those that did, good for you. I threw away the app. because it was too long
I also agree with your long term outlook for Delter. Lets hope we are right.
While I agree with the age, TT and 121 PIC, I am going to have to call BS on the Masters degree. I would bet that about less than half, probably 25-30% maybe had a masters. For those that did, good for you. I threw away the app. because it was too long
I also agree with your long term outlook for Delter. Lets hope we are right.Some of us already spent 7 years in holding after September 11th because most of the entry level jobs were outsourced. I would dare say the majority of "new hires" have already been flying Delta, or Northwest, passengers for a decade. The average Delta "new hire" in 2007 was age 37, with a master's degree and around 6,000 hours with several thousand 121 PIC.
The Captains I fly with upgraded relatively quickly and stayed there. If you think the Delta model is the same as the US Air model (or the NWA model) I sure hope that you are wrong.
If you are right, there is no reason for people to come here. Frankly, the WB new hires are still making less than they did flying RJ's.
With Delta's positioning and NWA's retirements my forecast for this career is quite a bit rosier than yours. Sure hope that I'm right. Aviation is still a growth industry over the long term and slightly exceeds the global 4% annual increase in GDP. Things are just ugly right now.
The Captains I fly with upgraded relatively quickly and stayed there. If you think the Delta model is the same as the US Air model (or the NWA model) I sure hope that you are wrong.
If you are right, there is no reason for people to come here. Frankly, the WB new hires are still making less than they did flying RJ's.
With Delta's positioning and NWA's retirements my forecast for this career is quite a bit rosier than yours. Sure hope that I'm right. Aviation is still a growth industry over the long term and slightly exceeds the global 4% annual increase in GDP. Things are just ugly right now.
06-17-2009, 01:53 PM
#8559
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I thought I felt the planet stop rotating for a second. ALFAROMEO - there is hope....... You've just stepped into the shoes of more junior pilots and seen the perspective that we've been talking about for years....... THANK YOU!!!!!!! 
Tell all your friends.Most Sincerely!
TC
06-17-2009, 01:55 PM
#8560
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WOW!!!! I thought I felt the planet stop rotating for a second. ALFAROMEO - there is hope....... You've just stepped into the shoes of more junior pilots and seen the perspective that we've been talking about for years....... THANK YOU!!!!!!! Tell all your friends.
Most Sincerely!
TC
I thought I felt the planet stop rotating for a second. ALFAROMEO - there is hope....... You've just stepped into the shoes of more junior pilots and seen the perspective that we've been talking about for years....... THANK YOU!!!!!!! Tell all your friends.Most Sincerely!
TC
Heck their 320 rates are more than ours. Sad when two out of the tree LLC's are getting paid more than us.
That means we have an even better chance in 2012. It also makes it more realistic from a management perspective to put these jets over on our Cert.
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