Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-28-2011, 09:14 PM
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Sorry. I'm really not a spelling/grammar nazi, but some of the comments on that survey made those Jersey Shore people look smart.
12-28-2011, 09:41 PM
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Indeed. After reading the responses, I get the feeling that the point you're talking about occurs immediately after losing all ability to spell, punctuate, and actually include a subject and predicate between periods.
Sorry. I'm really not a spelling/grammar nazi, but some of the comments on that survey made those Jersey Shore people look smart.
Sorry. I'm really not a spelling/grammar nazi, but some of the comments on that survey made those Jersey Shore people look smart.
12-28-2011, 10:33 PM
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When will that be? Over 11 years and still not senior. How about the 20+ year guys I'm flying that can barely hold NB domestic CA. When will we be senior someday? I'm guessing not in this lifetime (or at least not before the current mandatory retirement in 11 years @ age 65.
12-29-2011, 01:25 AM
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Stupid iPhone. I wrote that ^^^ in all caps but it goes back and makes it lower case. Ruins it.
12-29-2011, 01:30 AM
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When one lives in base and is kicked out or their base closes (MEM maybe CVG) how long do they have til they should have sold their house (even if at a loss) and moved to their new base? Are we talking days, weeks or months?
12-29-2011, 03:51 AM
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12-29-2011, 04:22 AM
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12-29-2011, 04:29 AM
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Evidently, Pineapple Guy is the only one who can answer your question!!!
12-29-2011, 05:52 AM
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Not going to make this a long post by quoting everyone, but by god, quit your whining about non commutable trips! You wanted to be a pilot for a major airline, you knew what that may entail, so live with it. If you don't like your life, bid to equipment that gives you a QOL that you would enjoy!!! Or you can become a CPA, banker, etc that allows you to be at home every night.
I spent a long time on smaller equipment because I got the trips I wanted, when I wanted, and the days off I wanted. Yes, I could have gone to better paying planes, but for me, QOL was more important! AND, I never bid my vacations over holidays because I knew I could get those days off, thus allowing those junior to me to get those vacation days.
Yes, it sucks being junior. But you have not been the only one during a career that things didn't work out to expectations. Others have been in your shoes. And some of those have been junior a lot longer that you will be.
Sounds like you want to mandate that DAL trips begin, from all bases, after 1200 noon, and get back by 1800 hrs. Sorry, aint gonna happen!
And yes, I'm a proud DPA member!
I spent a long time on smaller equipment because I got the trips I wanted, when I wanted, and the days off I wanted. Yes, I could have gone to better paying planes, but for me, QOL was more important! AND, I never bid my vacations over holidays because I knew I could get those days off, thus allowing those junior to me to get those vacation days.
Yes, it sucks being junior. But you have not been the only one during a career that things didn't work out to expectations. Others have been in your shoes. And some of those have been junior a lot longer that you will be.
Sounds like you want to mandate that DAL trips begin, from all bases, after 1200 noon, and get back by 1800 hrs. Sorry, aint gonna happen!
And yes, I'm a proud DPA member!
It's about balance. There needs to be a middle ground. Whether you like it or not, this airline is roughly a 50/50 split on commuters/non commuters. Don't tell me commuting is always a choice. There are over 10,500 active pilots at this airline, & you have no idea what each and every commuter's individual circumstances are. To tell me that commuting is a choice is like me telling you that a displacement to a lower paying seat is a choice, or having your pension frozen was your choice.
This company is constantly changing things that effect all of us, some in more negative ways then others. Many pilots chose to move to base, only to have their base closed(MEM) or be displaced to a different base. Now what do they do? Who will cover the loss on their house due to the poor housing market? What about someone who just bought a house in ATL only to be displaced to NYC? Are they not supposed to commute? Or how about the guys who have enough seniority to hold a line on the DC-9, but will be too junior on other equipment to do so? Should a guy who moved to MSP and won't be able to hold anything in MSP once the DC9's are parked not commute?
Just because staying on lower paying equipment got you better QOL doesn't mean it will for other people. Everyone's situation is different, & it's pure arrogance to assume that everyone who commutes is doing it by choice. I want better scope, pay, retirement, trips, etc for every Delta pilot. Commuter or non commuter. It's no wonder this job continues to tank. There is just no unity. It's always 'me, me, me'.
12-29-2011, 06:22 AM
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It's about balance. There needs to be a middle ground. Whether you like it or not, this airline is roughly a 50/50 split on commuters/non commuters. Don't tell me commuting is always a choice. There are over 10,500 active pilots at this airline, & you have no idea what each and every commuter's individual circumstances are. To tell me that commuting is a choice is like me telling you that a displacement to a lower paying seat is a choice, or having your pension frozen was your choice.
This company is constantly changing things that effect all of us, some in more negative ways then others. Many pilots chose to move to base, only to have their base closed(MEM) or be displaced to a different base. Now what do they do? Who will cover the loss on their house due to the poor housing market? What about someone who just bought a house in ATL only to be displaced to NYC? Are they not supposed to commute? Or how about the guys who have enough seniority to hold a line on the DC-9, but will be too junior on other equipment to do so? Should a guy who moved to MSP and won't be able to hold anything in MSP once the DC9's are parked not commute?
Just because staying on lower paying equipment got you better QOL doesn't mean it will for other people. Everyone's situation is different, & it's pure arrogance to assume that everyone who commutes is doing it by choice. I want better scope, pay, retirement, trips, etc for every Delta pilot. Commuter or non commuter. It's no wonder this job continues to tank. There is just no unity. It's always 'me, me, me'.
This company is constantly changing things that effect all of us, some in more negative ways then others. Many pilots chose to move to base, only to have their base closed(MEM) or be displaced to a different base. Now what do they do? Who will cover the loss on their house due to the poor housing market? What about someone who just bought a house in ATL only to be displaced to NYC? Are they not supposed to commute? Or how about the guys who have enough seniority to hold a line on the DC-9, but will be too junior on other equipment to do so? Should a guy who moved to MSP and won't be able to hold anything in MSP once the DC9's are parked not commute?
Just because staying on lower paying equipment got you better QOL doesn't mean it will for other people. Everyone's situation is different, & it's pure arrogance to assume that everyone who commutes is doing it by choice. I want better scope, pay, retirement, trips, etc for every Delta pilot. Commuter or non commuter. It's no wonder this job continues to tank. There is just no unity. It's always 'me, me, me'.
Forgot your coffee this morning J29?
I agree wholeheartedly, that if someone comes on this board or any other forum and states "commuting is a choice" they have yet to have a house under-water, family issue, base closure, or some other uncontrollable circumstance now causing said person to become a commuter. How many MEM based pilots will be a first time commuter, or return-commuter after many years of driving to work? (But it's a choice for the MEM based guys, right?)
Put as simply as possible: (Hopefully PG is reading this.)
Family/Community/Housing/etc. NECESSITIES dictate the DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
Decision making then drives which option we choose! Option A, B, or any other contingency.
The option we have chosen is then the "choice" we've made while taking into account all other external/internal factors in the "decision making process", based on external/internal "necessities".
To say alone that "commuting is a choice" is one of the most ignorant comments I've ever heard on this forum. It's like telling someone that "dressing themselves in the morning" is a choice, or "wearing our uniform to work" is a choice.
Good day all, and a Happy New Year.
GJ
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