Like I said, the difference between the trips wasn't much; I think it may have been a matter of layover locations. Pay? No difference--I'm on reserve; I never break guarantee. In fact, technically, I get paid more (MD-90) when I don't fly (MD-88). My call was more out of curiosity...as in, why the hell put something in there if they're not even going to look at it. To make an argument that you are the one who should get the trip means, IMO, that you have to lose it to someone who as a higher raw score and who has the same number of days available. Otherwise, they can say they gave it to the other guy because he had more/less days available and it worked better for scheduling to assign it to the other pilot. Meanwhile, another trip pops up that you don't want, but because you put in a YS you get nailed with it. The problem with the system is you put yourself out there for picking up something you don't want in hopes of possibly getting what you want (especially when it comes to just wanting a specific length (e.g. 3 day or 4 day) trip. That's been my experience; others' may be different.

Jesse,

A lot of the reserve scheduling rules will be changed per the SOT recommendations. I am not 100% sure but I think some of the issues you touch upon above will be improved. I think most of the the reserve scheduling enhancements will be in affect NLT May.

Scoop

12-24-2011, 03:53 AM

#84242

N9373M

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Merry Christmas!

HO HO ??. We're one HO short. Merry Xmas to all!

12-24-2011, 04:50 AM

#84243

Elvis90

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Feliz Navidad a todos los pilotos en el Centro Piloto de Línea Aérea.

Joyeux Noël à tous les pilotes au pilote de ligne centrale.

Frohe Weihnachten an alle Piloten bei Airline Pilot Central.

С Рождеством Христовым всех пилотов авиакомпании Pilot Central.

12-24-2011, 05:19 AM

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sailingfun

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Which is good- unless the trips are near identical in pay and pay wasn't the purpose of the request.

I've flat out been told before "sorry, I didn't look [at PCS requests]..." So it's one thing for SC which can be fixed but another for actual trip assignments.

To me if they're too busy they just blow it off. And you go from #1 with the lowest raw score requesting a specific trip on Christmas to #1 getting a trip that is 180 degrees from what you want and nobody was assigned any trips via a discernible contractual reason.

The schedulers simply go, #1 pilot gets first trip, #2 pilot gets second trip and so on. So being #1 means you get the earliest show.

It'd be nice if it was 100% computerized.

Now you can call ahead but I guess they've lost control over there because it's never a pleasant experience to call them anymore. "WE DON'T RUN THE RUO UNTIL 8AM AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT THEN!!!"

Very RJ like schedulers these days.

If you are awarded assignment pay because a trip was incorrectly assigned you get double pay for the trip flown. Its always worth a call to see if DALPA feels you have a case. The contract admin guys are very good and they have the same computer access as crew scheduling. They can view the exact trip assignment history and reconstruct exactly what happened.

12-24-2011, 05:32 AM

#84245

Doug Masters

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Merry Xmas APC. I Tebow we all have a great new year!!!

12-24-2011, 06:56 AM

#84246

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Sailing you never mentioned double pay.

I didn't know that.

Pays to have a Sailing around... even if he won't put a picture up for his avatar.

I mean you have a plethora of pictures involving bikini's are some that are a little more poetic:

or funny:

Merry Christmas.

12-24-2011, 07:07 AM

#84247

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FTB and Jesse,

What Sailing says is spot on.

In my opinion crew scheduling will generally try and follow the contract, but they will ignore it if in a jam and sometimes they just plain make mistakes. But the terms are part of our contract. If you just let them "get away with it", they will.

However, if pilots hold scheduling's feet to the fire they will pay more attention as it'll cost them when they make mistakes. Delta does not like paying out extra money because of errors by crew scheduling.

12-24-2011, 07:29 AM

#84248

Flamer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Not if you are on RES. you might "request" a specific rotation, but like the rest of the contracts regarding RES, it is the schedulers discretion. This is one of the reasons RES sucks so bad. If you are on RES, and they assign you a trip that you are legal for, you have no grievance to file. If they run you out of sequence, maybe. But that is hard to tell due to the buckets, and the res availability list containing no real information.

This part of the contract needs to change. Should, might, attempt, try, and may are words that need to be deleted from the contract.