Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-21-2011, 06:40 PM
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Man, I don't remember that one. I was, however, pre-flighting a C-141 at Travis when the jet next door exploded and burned to the ground. A maintenance guy reset a boost pump CB in an empty fuel tank....which exploded and starting a sequence of explosions for all 10 fuel tanks. 15 minutes later, it was a heap of molten metal.
Pretty amazing really. Maintenance guys were towing heavy jets at 35 mph to get them out of the way. I was halfway to San Francisco when it all stopped.
Pretty amazing really. Maintenance guys were towing heavy jets at 35 mph to get them out of the way. I was halfway to San Francisco when it all stopped.
12-21-2011, 06:59 PM
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Again, if it is a hard time with no waivers, the 2 man ETOPS nonsense deep into Western Europe will be very rare. Likely even more rare than today because what you can safely do with 8 today with the ability to go over 8 (legal to start legal to finish) will have no margin for error and face instant cancellation either outbound or worse inbound on some flights stranding crews and cancelling flights all because some bean counter thought he'd be spiffy and save the cost of one FO.
I was very concerned about upping the block times due to the potential mass reduction of augmented flights. If the block times are really hard times with no flexibility, that no longer looks like a credibile threat for any ops...W.Europe, Aug Caribbean or even one more domestic leg, as anything anywhere near 8 hours of block is just begging for a cancellation if its even a little late and there's no way a company is going to schedule all the way up to 9 hours block if one minute over means the flight cancells or has to gate return and recrew.
12-21-2011, 07:05 PM
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From where? Anything over 8 runs a very serious risk of turning back with the slightest ground delay on the way out or (worse) any delay for the flight back. A major fulcrum to the increase in hours for us is the issue of the new total daily block limitation being a hard time or just a "scheduled" (legal to start legal to finish) time. If the new times are hard times in all cases then that is a huge victory for us in the long run.
Again, if it is a hard time with no waivers, the 2 man ETOPS nonsense deep into Western Europe will be very rare. Likely even more rare than today because what you can safely do with 8 today with the ability to go over 8 (legal to start legal to finish) will have no margin for error and face instant cancellation either outbound or worse inbound on some flights stranding crews and cancelling flights all because some bean counter thought he'd be spiffy and save the cost of one FO.
I was very concerned about upping the block times due to the potential mass reduction of augmented flights. If the block times are really hard times with no flexibility, that no longer looks like a credibile threat for any ops...W.Europe, Aug Caribbean or even one more domestic leg, as anything anywhere near 8 hours of block is just begging for a cancellation if its even a little late and there's no way a company is going to schedule all the way up to 9 hours block if one minute over means the flight cancells or has to gate return and recrew.
Again, if it is a hard time with no waivers, the 2 man ETOPS nonsense deep into Western Europe will be very rare. Likely even more rare than today because what you can safely do with 8 today with the ability to go over 8 (legal to start legal to finish) will have no margin for error and face instant cancellation either outbound or worse inbound on some flights stranding crews and cancelling flights all because some bean counter thought he'd be spiffy and save the cost of one FO.
I was very concerned about upping the block times due to the potential mass reduction of augmented flights. If the block times are really hard times with no flexibility, that no longer looks like a credibile threat for any ops...W.Europe, Aug Caribbean or even one more domestic leg, as anything anywhere near 8 hours of block is just begging for a cancellation if its even a little late and there's no way a company is going to schedule all the way up to 9 hours block if one minute over means the flight cancells or has to gate return and recrew.
12-21-2011, 07:15 PM
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On the way there, maybe, sometimes, under some circumstances. On the way back for 8-9 hour blocks with more than 1 leg...the already risky gets even riskier. I just don't see them doing 8-9 block hour unaugmented days, if (and again, if) the new times are hard and absolute. Just putting the extra FO on it is cheap insurance for operational integrity.
12-21-2011, 07:38 PM
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From where? Anything over 8 runs a very serious risk of turning back with the slightest ground delay on the way out or (worse) any delay for the flight back. A major fulcrum to the increase in hours for us is the issue of the new total daily block limitation being a hard time or just a "scheduled" (legal to start legal to finish) time. If the new times are hard times in all cases then that is a huge victory for us in the long run.
Again, if it is a hard time with no waivers, the 2 man ETOPS nonsense deep into Western Europe will be very rare. Likely even more rare than today because what you can safely do with 8 today with the ability to go over 8 (legal to start legal to finish) will have no margin for error and face instant cancellation either outbound or worse inbound on some flights stranding crews and cancelling flights all because some bean counter thought he'd be spiffy and save the cost of one FO.
I was very concerned about upping the block times due to the potential mass reduction of augmented flights. If the block times are really hard times with no flexibility, that no longer looks like a credibile threat for any ops...W.Europe, Aug Caribbean or even one more domestic leg, as anything anywhere near 8 hours of block is just begging for a cancellation if its even a little late and there's no way a company is going to schedule all the way up to 9 hours block if one minute over means the flight cancells or has to gate return and recrew.
Again, if it is a hard time with no waivers, the 2 man ETOPS nonsense deep into Western Europe will be very rare. Likely even more rare than today because what you can safely do with 8 today with the ability to go over 8 (legal to start legal to finish) will have no margin for error and face instant cancellation either outbound or worse inbound on some flights stranding crews and cancelling flights all because some bean counter thought he'd be spiffy and save the cost of one FO.
I was very concerned about upping the block times due to the potential mass reduction of augmented flights. If the block times are really hard times with no flexibility, that no longer looks like a credibile threat for any ops...W.Europe, Aug Caribbean or even one more domestic leg, as anything anywhere near 8 hours of block is just begging for a cancellation if its even a little late and there's no way a company is going to schedule all the way up to 9 hours block if one minute over means the flight cancells or has to gate return and recrew.
12-21-2011, 08:39 PM
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On the way there, maybe, sometimes, under some circumstances. On the way back for 8-9 hour blocks with more than 1 leg...the already risky gets even riskier. I just don't see them doing 8-9 block hour unaugmented days, if (and again, if) the new times are hard and absolute. Just putting the extra FO on it is cheap insurance for operational integrity.
Of course, until there is a contractual change, this is moot for DAL pilots.
12-21-2011, 08:39 PM
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12-21-2011, 09:01 PM
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From the email...
The FAA limits unaugmented flight time to eight or nine hours depending on the start time of the pilot’s flight duty period. These new times are hard times, not scheduled times. This means that, unlike today, you cannot go over the maximum unless already airborne on the last leg.
Big win is right. I think they are going to need a lot more reserves.
The FAA limits unaugmented flight time to eight or nine hours depending on the start time of the pilot’s flight duty period. These new times are hard times, not scheduled times. This means that, unlike today, you cannot go over the maximum unless already airborne on the last leg.
12-21-2011, 10:43 PM
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A reminder to those of you living the reserve life:
And when deciding what to do with said growth, here is a friendly guide (large picture... you're welcome for me not posting it): http://findlaydonnan.files.wordpress...ches-chart.jpg
And when deciding what to do with said growth, here is a friendly guide (large picture... you're welcome for me not posting it): http://findlaydonnan.files.wordpress...ches-chart.jpg
12-21-2011, 11:03 PM
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LOL... They need a picture of "The Couch Potato" 2 day stubble, and of course, "In Base Reserve". And maybe "The RJ FO" which is kinda a cheesy chin patch soul patch sideburn thing.
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