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Is meeting the NMB in preparations for negotiations the same as getting the NMB involved? I mean on January 2012 DALPA is not going to present openers before theyre presented to the company?

So really, is this getting the NMB involved in negotiations or getting a lay of the land like a SWA style ATC pizza party? Because in the end these are lawyers, theyre taught to say and write nothing in 500 words or more, what are they going to do but listen? And listening isn't involving, unless you want to explain more about what will go on?

Or is this just expressing a desire to fast track to binding arbitration? That makes me worried tha there is a desire to be relieved from blame ASAP.

See every football team meets with the referees prior to kickoff for an informal meeting about expectations and possible trick plays. it's not the same as arguing that the other team is playing dirty on that play, was offsides, that catch was incomplete and their cheerleaders are distracting the kicker so throw the flag please! None of that invovelement can be given until the authority is given.

slowplay

Please....

Carl Spackler

Really? The NMB getting involved in negotiations prior to negotiations would be the first I've ever heard. You post that meeting schedule and the topics that involve our negotiations and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong.

Carl

LandGreen2

on short call reserve: we do not have to exceed the max contractual duty day listed on rotation plus 2 hours right? thx

Rather B Fishin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The NMB is not involved from the start, so you don't have to worry about losing them from the start. They're only involved at the end of the normal process when one or more parties seek the NMB.

Carl




Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Regardless, the NMB is not involved in openers or negotiations until their latter stages.

Carl


So please enlighten this fool. So is your final answer in regards to the NMB:

A: "That is much sooner than the NMB normally gets involved."
B: "They're only involved at the end of the normal process when one or more parties seek the NMB."
C: "Regardless, the NMB is not involved in openers or negotiations until their latter stages."


Those would be three completely different statements/time lines. I don't waste my time teaching my dog calculus. I should do the same in having a logical discussion with Mr. Almighty Whale Captain.

Timbo

You mean, after you have been assigned a trip, right?

Or are you just talking about sitting at home, waiting for a trip? Short call is not considered "Duty", nor is it "Rest", so once you get a trip, no, you are not required to go past the max duty day listed on the rotation, plus 2.

BUT...you also have to be able to look at your release time of that rotation, look back 24 hours, and be able to find 8 hours of "Rest", of which your short call time is not considered as "Rest".

slowplay

To get an accurate answer, why don't you call the ALPA office and speak with one of the scheduling experts. 800 USA ALPA is the number. You'll be able to assert your contractual rights with a lot more confidence using what they tell you rather than that from some anonymous webboard pseudonym here.

Timbo

What he said, and you know there is another web board called the DALPA board, which has a scheduling section. So if you run into something before 9am, or after 5pm, or on a weekend or holdiay, you can get some info from the Scheduling committee there, usually. I also keep their home phone numbers and cell phone numbers on speed dial!

acl65pilot

Well since slow told you to call ALPA I will not answer j/k, call them anyway since you question is so vague.

I think I know what you are getting at, but spell it out for them.

The short answer is that domestically Whitlow applies but sitting at home does not apply to max sked duty day that is outlined in the PWA, say 13 hrs, plus two to 15.

Effectively on domestic SC you can be flown up to 15+30 from the start of your SC, plus 30 mins after block in to equal 16 hrs.

One Taco

If accurate, this article gives a glimpse at the new rest rules....


FAA issues new rules on pilot fatigue - Flight 3407 - The Buffalo News