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Old 12-20-2011, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by exeagle
Hopefully some positive news to end the year with?..
Positive if you want to do 10 hour days and have duty time limitations significantly cut into your productivity. I see more days at work for the same amount of credit.

At least when we are at work 20 days out of the month to get 72 hours of credit we will get 9 hours in the hotel and be able to fly up to 10 hours each duty period. Didn't all this start as a project to reduce fatigue??
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Anyone know how far below the frontline employees and management are below their 2004 (pre-paycut) pay? We are 32% below ours (not counting inflation).

I seriously doubt any of the other employees are anywhere near 32% below where they were in 2004... probably not even more than a single digit percentage below. And I'm guessing management is actually quite a bit ABOVE their 2004 compensation.

Anybody have the stats on this?
Most are in the 5 to 10 percent range however they kept their earned retirement. As a example the flight attendants made 49 and change before the two rounds of cuts they took. They are now back up to 46 and change after 3 pay raises. The 4th raise is scheduled for this July. That leaves the down about 7 percent.
The company has however maintained since the left Chapter 11 that wages would be market based and they have only pledged to keep Delta employees paid in the median of wages for airlines similar to Delta. This has lead to different groups getting different raises as they are compared to their peers at other airlines.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
FAIL. UT is in fact... in Knoxville.
And almost 100 years older. 1794 vs 1883
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
FAIL. UT is in fact... in Knoxville.
Feel free to use UTenn if you'd like, but UT is most certainly The University of Texas, which is in Austin.

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Old 12-20-2011, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Most are in the 5 to 10 percent range however they kept their earned retirement. As a example the flight attendants made 49 and change before the two rounds of cuts they took. They are now back up to 46 and change after 3 pay raises. The 4th raise is scheduled for this July. That leaves the down about 7 percent.
Thanks. That is consistent with what I've heard elsewhere.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
Is that sort of like how U.S.C. is in Columbia, South Carolina?
It is: USC founded in 1801 vs Southern Cal in 1880

In 1980, Southern Cal won 23-13 and in 1983 THE USC won 38-14.

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Old 12-20-2011, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OccupyRestSeat
and you think that because.....?
do you know something the rest of us don't? Did you talk to RA and ask him about it?

why would you feel the need to say that if you don't know for sure what he was talking about?
How about you answer your own question by quoting my entire post?
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Get your quotes right. I said the NMB does not get involved until the end of the normal negotiations process. What do you not get about that?

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and you'd still be wrong........................
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
It does not show up on your schedule but it logged by the computer. Checked is different than "viewed." Persnickety lawyers.

So tell me the difference then as it relates to our contractual requirement to check our schedule. Are you saying that calling in via the VRU does meet the requirement for checking our schedules?
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 1234
So tell me the difference then as it relates to our contractual requirement to check our schedule. Are you saying that calling in via the VRU does meet the requirement for checking our schedules?
No that is spelled out. Viewed is different than checking, but viewing is considered checking.

Checking the VRU fulfills the contractual requirement as does viewing your schedule.

The whole point they are schematically different. The phrase on the DBMS Schedule screen states, "Pilot Last Viewed," not "Pilot Last Checked." The DBMS interface only shows views, where as the DBMS computer records all instances where a pilot checks his schedule via the approved methods; VRU, or one of the DBMS interfaces.

The DBMS screen is legally correct in only showing times that you view, not check. Told you the lawyers got involved.

I know who gives two hoots, but I figured since it was asked, I would spell it out.
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