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Old 12-20-2011, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Fact is that for many years here at DAL the language did not need to be perfectly spelled out. DAL88 and I went back and forth on this about the DCI paint livery. The reality is there was no need, but the world has changed, and we need to start making the language a lot tighter. When have been shown that the way we used to do business leaves to much room for legal maneuvering. That is the environment we live in.
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Hmmmmm.. then by your own admission, he was right about the language. When CE Woolman died, the handshake went with him. It's all about lawyers, language, and contracts. Sad but true. I don't want any more TBD language. No more language that states "The company will make every effort..." No more of that CRAP. Tell the negotiators to not bring us that junk anymore.

And to stir another pot.. what is the thinking about the payrates on the 737-900ER airframe? Since we gave away 3.b.6, we have no leverage on an airframe that the company ordered without our consultation. More good lawyering for ya....
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Well from your perch on the turret, I think you should be slapping him around.. a LOT...

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I should be sailing today, but I've got to take the wife to SRQ for a flight to the ATL to pick up the twins from the AU, so I'll be single tonight. Too bad there's not a game on!

You should get out there today, looks like good wind from the south east.

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Old 12-20-2011, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Hmmmmm.. then by your own admission, he was right about the language. When CE Woolman died, the handshake went with him. It's all about lawyers, language, and contracts. Sad but true. I don't want any more TBD language. No more language that states "The company will make every effort..." No more of that CRAP. Tell the negotiators to not bring us that junk anymore.

And to stir another pot.. what is the thinking about the payrates on the 737-900ER airframe? Since we gave away 3.b.6, we have no leverage on an airframe that the company ordered without our consultation. More good lawyering for ya....
T, when did we give that away????

Yes, a handshake is sadly very insufficient in this business.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
T, when did we give that away????

Yes, a handshake is sadly very insufficient in this business.
3.b.6 went away after the 777s (or 737-800s?) came on board. I don't remember the exact timing, but it was another incredibly S T U P I D thing the association did.. "The company will never order another airplane until the payrates have been established" is how it was sold.
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Hey man, it's Christmas, don't harsh my mellow...

Beatles- Let It Be - YouTube

I should be sailing today, but I've got to take the wife to SRQ for a flight to the ATL to pick up the twins from the AU, so I'll be single tonight. Too bad there's not a game on!

You should get out there today, looks like good wind from the south east.

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Nothing aimed at you my brother... I would love to get out today, but I think it will not be happening.
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
3.b.6 went away after the 777s (or 737-800s?) came on board. I don't remember the exact timing, but it was another incredibly S T U P I D thing the association did.. "The company will never order another airplane until the payrates have been established" is how it was sold.
Yes, it was after that, but when, sometime around 46? Just maybe
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
No argument.. I'm just responding to the verbiage of what Carl posted.. So we meet with them. Then tell them.. too bad.. we are taking back some... most.. all of that flying, and there's nothing you can do about it. Put in an application, we'll be hiring.
I like what you said. Thing is, will alpa national go along with that? They may be unhappy, but again, who gives a rats's a$$.
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
It's just not worth it with you dude. You just change the subject every time you're cornered. It's just amateur hour debating you.

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Kinda like "the NMB only gets involved in the end process"?????????
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Schedule question. Line holder in Dec. Picked up a 5 day(W slip) Dec.31st thru Jan. 4th. I had reserve days Jan 1-3. Did I just screw myself out of an X day or do I get it back later in Jan?
The Jan 1-4 days will apply to your RAW score for Jan (how the hell skeds figures out a raw score is a mystery). Since Jan 4th was a "X" day, call crew skeds and the two of you determine when you get it back. Or, they may have already placed it on your schedule.
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Old 12-20-2011, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
Schedule question. Line holder in Dec. Picked up a 5 day(W slip) Dec.31st thru Jan. 4th. I had reserve days Jan 1-3. Did I just screw myself out of an X day or do I get it back later in Jan?
NERD! How was Knox? Can't help ya w/ the ? but Buzz could I bet. Merry Christmas...get me anything from UT gift shop?
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