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Old 12-19-2011, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OccupyRestSeat
Is National going to approve a contract if it recaptures scope (like ours damn well better), but opens itself to a DFR suit from the regionals it also represents?

Wouldn't your example open a DFR case from the Delta pilots?
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I do a lot more to reach that goal than just turn in a card. Many others of us do as well. It's just nice to finally have your approval to do so.

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You know full well I am not talking about you. I am talking about pilots like Hockey and DAL88 that refuse to do that work.
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I don't think they intentionally scheme against pilots. They get wound up so deeply in their own self righteousness and so called knowledge that they end up in some little sub world that totally misses the real world ramifications of their actions.
That pretty well sums it up. It's called the echo chamber effect.

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Old 12-19-2011, 06:50 PM
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Maybe, just maybe DALPA supported the slot swap because it gives DAL a death hold on LGA, which provides pricing power in the NYC market. It provides more revenue opportunity which in turn creates revenue making Delta a healthy, profitable company. That revenue provides job protection. The RJ's will shift & mainline will shift. The never ending shuffle continues.

The RJ's have to be flown somewhere. DAL signed contracts, & they have to comply with them.
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Maybe, just maybe DALPA supported the slot swap because it gives DAL a death hold on LGA, which provides pricing power in the NYC market. It provides more revenue opportunity, which in turn creates revenue making Delta a healthy, profitable company. That revenue provides job protection. The RJ's will shift & mainline will shift. The never ending shuffle continues.

The RJ's have to be flown somewhere. DAL signed contracts, & they have to comply with them.
Well, you're half right.

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Old 12-19-2011, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Difference is that we are the pilots with sole bargaining authority with DAL. If that was not the case, you would have a point, but we do and they do not. We would have to allow it. The analogy is apples and oranges.

DCI carriers bargain with their companies, we bargain with DAL. Huge difference than a divorce where you both bargain with a judge.
No, the difference IS you just accused DAL88 of saying something he never said or even intimated. Then you built an entire case around it.

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Old 12-19-2011, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Maybe, just maybe DALPA supported the slot swap because it gives DAL a death hold on LGA, which provides pricing power in the NYC market. It provides more revenue opportunity which in turn creates revenue making Delta a healthy, profitable company. That revenue provides job protection. The RJ's will shift & mainline will shift. The never ending shuffle continues.

The RJ's have to be flown somewhere. DAL signed contracts, & they have to comply with them.
A very astute observation. This started many moons ago under a totally different economic environment. We have slots that we have to use or they will be sold, the markets probably do not currently support mainline, and they stuck an RJ on them. Frankly the 6X to DFW is overkill and they can switch that to 4X with at least two mainline. It was clearly done to poke a stick in AMR's eye.

We sold it and did what we were told before the economy collapsed, and now we see RJ's. Disheartening at best, but it can be explained. The company knows that we are not happy, and if they want to have a content group, they will have to right this. Actions like this do not help the engagement principle. They know it and we know it.
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Old 12-19-2011, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No, the difference IS you just accused DAL88 of saying something he never said or even intimated. Then you built an entire case around it.

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No he said there is a conflict at National because the represent both of us and he used a divorce attorney analogy. I showed him how that logic is flawed because we have sole bargaining rights with DAL. Its a huge point that people want to gloss over.
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Old 12-19-2011, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
It is a perception of reality, not an interpretation of "facts."
Here you go again acl. You just can't admit when you get busted with yet another fleeing from your own words. This is what you said earlier:

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You would have to do ALPA work and deal with these people to understand that what you are accusing these people of is totally baseless and false.
That doesn't sound like a perception of reality to me dude.

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Old 12-19-2011, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Well, you're half right.

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Nothing but your opinion.
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