Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-19-2011, 06:30 PM
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Wanna bet. I admit I had misconceived ideas about how it really went down. ALPA has issues, but lawyers and negotiators scheming against its pilots is not one of them.
12-19-2011, 06:33 PM
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I don't think they intentionally scheme against pilots. They get wound up so deeply in their own self righteousness and so called knowledge that they end up in some little sub world that totally misses the real world ramifications of their actions.
12-19-2011, 06:35 PM
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12-19-2011, 06:37 PM
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This is one of the big problems I see with ALPA. We get our EF&A from ALPA National resources. We get our legal advice from ALPA National. There's just too much possibility that the info/advice/legal language we get is influenced by ALPA National's responsibility to represent ALL of its member pilots, many of whom have interests that are diametrically opposed to ours.
And then we have examples like the RAH thing and the Delta Connection paint thing. Symptoms of a problem that I don't see how one can deny.
And then we have examples like the RAH thing and the Delta Connection paint thing. Symptoms of a problem that I don't see how one can deny.
This!!!
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12-19-2011, 06:37 PM
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They may at times as we all do, but then they have a pilot group go against everything they say, and they get to try and unscrew it while taking the heat for the language or action that got that pilot group there.
12-19-2011, 06:38 PM
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What I did say is that ALPA National has a conflict of interest in representing both us and the outsourced pilots who are doing our flying. It's not some paranoid, evil plot against us. It's simply a case of conflicted priorities that has serious potential for compromised data and less than stellar advice. If you were getting a divorce, would you want the same attorney representing both you and your wife? Would a competent, ethical attorney even take that case?
12-19-2011, 06:40 PM
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You would have to do ALPA work and deal with these people to understand that what you are accusing these people of is totally baseless and false. They do not sit there and tell us that we need to sell scope, and all of this other crud. They give legal advice, and advise us or the ramifications of actions. Legal ramifications, and what precedence is. They do not tell is that we would hurt X or Y. We then tell them what they are going to do, and they do their job, which is to minimize our legal risk as much as possible.
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12-19-2011, 06:40 PM
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"Scheming against its pilots" - Now who said that? I know I didn't.
What I did say is that ALPA National has a conflict of interest in representing both us and the outsourced pilots who are doing our flying. It's not some paranoid, evil plot against us. It's simply a case of conflicted priorities that has serious potential for compromised data and less than stellar advice. If you were getting a divorce, would you want the same attorney representing both you and your wife? Would a competent, ethical attorney even take that case?
What I did say is that ALPA National has a conflict of interest in representing both us and the outsourced pilots who are doing our flying. It's not some paranoid, evil plot against us. It's simply a case of conflicted priorities that has serious potential for compromised data and less than stellar advice. If you were getting a divorce, would you want the same attorney representing both you and your wife? Would a competent, ethical attorney even take that case?
DCI carriers bargain with their companies, we bargain with DAL. Huge difference than a divorce where you both bargain with a judge.
12-19-2011, 06:41 PM
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12-19-2011, 06:43 PM
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