Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-19-2011, 08:48 AM
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12-19-2011, 08:49 AM
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You know what really irks me? When people are surprised when something like LGA happens. It is legal by our PWA, and until guys "Get Religion" wrt to scope, they are always going to be surprised when the company does something they are totally within their contractual bounds to do. Only way to fix it is to fix the PWA, and until we stop looking at pay over scope, nothing will change. Period.
With one change:
Scope AND Pay
Let's not make those two items mutually contradictory.
When even Bill "unlimited rjs" Swellbar calls our scope "weak" we have a problem...
Cheers
George
12-19-2011, 08:50 AM
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I think we have discussed this before, but I believe in Attila. I am not sure how me we spend on it. I hope some very smart people have done their homework and it indeed makes us money. However, from an untrained observer, flying into the busiest airport in the world is very easy. And I can't remember the last time I've been vectored. You fly the route assigned to you, and ATC speeds you up plus or minus 10 knots of so. Seems to me that something is working.
12-19-2011, 08:53 AM
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Too many Mai Tais for CVG.
Mele Kalikimaka, Y'all!!!
12-19-2011, 08:53 AM
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The 70's was a time of horrible stagnation at TWA. Your claim that it was "the place to be in the 70's" is not correct.
12-19-2011, 08:59 AM
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Okay, minor revision to your overall point, but it hurts your credibility. I was hired at TWA in 1989. For the first 5 years, I flew 727 F/E with mostly Captains that were hired in the 1960's. I know that group well. The guys who were hired in the mid-1960's did pretty well and upgraded quickly. The guys who were hired in 1969 were furloughed several times and it took them 15-17 years (yes, you heard that right) to get off the engineer panel! The 70's was a time of horrible stagnation at TWA. Your claim that it was "the place to be in the 70's" is not correct.
The 70's was a time of horrible stagnation at TWA. Your claim that it was "the place to be in the 70's" is not correct.
12-19-2011, 09:00 AM
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12-19-2011, 09:03 AM
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Fair questions;
1. The analysis site only contains the integrated lists. You're correct though, the seniority bump will be more of a slow growth. Think of a boil The gain will be realized over a 2 year period.
2. The growth is conservative and the analysis was done by the MC based on orders. The number is actually 3.6 % if you include all options. 2.1% isn't exactly a rocket ship. SWA has already turned their current options into firm deliveries.
Anything could happen really. Maybe GK will sell all of the 717's to DAL.
1. The analysis site only contains the integrated lists. You're correct though, the seniority bump will be more of a slow growth. Think of a boil
The gain will be realized over a 2 year period.2. The growth is conservative and the analysis was done by the MC based on orders. The number is actually 3.6 % if you include all options. 2.1% isn't exactly a rocket ship. SWA has already turned their current options into firm deliveries.
Anything could happen really. Maybe GK will sell all of the 717's to DAL.
But, it is an airline that just merged with tons of pilots who lost lots of seniority who will be looking to upgrade the first chance they get. I think the entire pilot group is pretty young, too. Finally, where are they going to expand? Atlanta? New York? Hawaii
? I just see SWA doing a lot of reactionary things which leads me to believe they are running out of options. I'm not suggesting they are about to go belly up or anything, I'm just saying that maybe their growth is starting to slow.
12-19-2011, 09:03 AM
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I think we have discussed this before, but I believe in Attila. I am not sure how me we spend on it. I hope some very smart people have done their homework and it indeed makes us money. However, from an untrained observer, flying into the busiest airport in the world is very easy. And I can't remember the last time I've been vectored. You fly the route assigned to you, and ATC speeds you up plus or minus 10 knots of so. Seems to me that something is working.
12-19-2011, 09:11 AM
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Fine. Thanks for the correction, but I stand by the overall gist of my post, that everybody gets their turn in the barrel. What was that old saying about those that ignore history? But I guess SWAPA has it all figured out.. just like a certain resident of Washington DC has socialism all figured out....
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