Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-19-2011, 05:28 AM
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Yes, indeed, and considering that a majority of the lost Capt seats come from our highest paying categories, it's not a junior pilots' dilemma.
I am still surprised at the announcement, mainly because the company seems to be making sound operational and marketing decisions lately, and this is like 2000 all over again. For the company to use the excuse that they need to develop markets--- from LGA--- that have been well served over the years by AA and USair, sounds disingenuous. I am as concerned for our business customers as I am at the lost opportunity for mainline growth.
I am still surprised at the announcement, mainly because the company seems to be making sound operational and marketing decisions lately, and this is like 2000 all over again. For the company to use the excuse that they need to develop markets--- from LGA--- that have been well served over the years by AA and USair, sounds disingenuous. I am as concerned for our business customers as I am at the lost opportunity for mainline growth.
It is the same reason we will see 50 seaters in MEM, and that DAL will string that hub along until they can get out from underneath them.
12-19-2011, 05:28 AM
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If we went to the same duty time rules as a truck driver your going to have to work the same number of days as a truckdriver to get your hours in. Do you really want to work 20 to 24 days a month? Have you ever driven a truck? Nod of for even a few seconds and you can be toast. Bit different in a aircraft where you have a copilot and there are not idiots driving all around you a few feet away.
Totally different jobs and situations without any valid comparison between the two.
Totally different jobs and situations without any valid comparison between the two.
As frequent memos have been reminding us, the taxi phase is the most perilous. The different rules, frequent construction and taxi schemes employed at various airports make driving a truck comparatively easy.
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12-19-2011, 05:40 AM
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If that is brought to this pilot group to vote on, then I expect a resignation of the committee and members that approved it in the first place. PERIOD!
12-19-2011, 05:43 AM
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He is dead accurate. It is meet and confer. They have no say in whatever we want to do. This is the language that was agreed to in the settlement. I will let Bar answer why Ford-Cooksey decided to agree on weak worded language, but the reality is that it has no strength and cannot force this pilot group, or any pilot group to bend to the RJ side of the Ford-Cooksey working in the Policy Manual.
The only power that ALPA National has over any pilot group is the President's refusal to sign a CBA. As shiz stated, that will never happen for a major airline. If LM even thought about doing that at one of the majors within ALPA, even I would be ready to dump em, and he knows that. He is politically savvy, as is anyone who has made it to that position. No President would want to be over ALPA when they lost a 12K pilot group.
Carl
12-19-2011, 05:48 AM
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As with everything, what they printed was factually correct. They were not trending the number of A seats, just one bid to the next.
Go look at our ASM's from 2008-2009 to now.
You know what really irks me? When people are surprised when something like LGA happens. It is legal by our PWA, and until guys "Get Religion" wrt to scope, they are always going to be surprised when the company does something they are totally within their contractual bounds to do. Only way to fix it is to fix the PWA, and until we stop looking at pay over scope, nothing will change. Period.
Go look at our ASM's from 2008-2009 to now.
You know what really irks me? When people are surprised when something like LGA happens. It is legal by our PWA, and until guys "Get Religion" wrt to scope, they are always going to be surprised when the company does something they are totally within their contractual bounds to do. Only way to fix it is to fix the PWA, and until we stop looking at pay over scope, nothing will change. Period.
Carl
12-19-2011, 05:53 AM
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Carl
12-19-2011, 06:00 AM
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That's good to hear. But I'm telling you that you need to be ready to vote NO in the face of pressure and fear like you've probably never experienced. You literally need to start preparing yourself and your family right now for the fear. Just the same as you are probably already planning financially.
Carl
Carl
12-19-2011, 06:02 AM
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Larry came to the P.I. when I was in -50. Hey was a really good engineer except that if there was a scratch on a tire he would not pronounce it good for flight when leaving Pattaya Beach, but it could be on fire in Atsugi and it was good to go... I heard he retired to Hawa'ii somewhere and bought a red corvette. I'll bet it was a show watching him get in that car...
12-19-2011, 06:10 AM
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12-19-2011, 06:12 AM
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Yep. I figure the company will offer something like 20 percent raise up front, higher vacation credit, 100 seaters allowed at the regionals, and a no-furlough clause to assure us we will keep our current jobs. If we vote for it, we might never furlough, but Delta won't hire again for 15 years even with all our retirements coming up. Remember, there's a lot of pilots retiring in the next ten years that could use the money. I would expect them to vote yes to the above proposal. It's a smart business decision on their behalf even if it does screw every pilot in the future. It has been proven over and over again that everyone is out for himself no matter what the consequences.
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