Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-13-2009, 07:58 AM
#8351
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Wow. If that happens, that would be incredible. We North guys have known for some time that our staffing was skinnier than the South side. The North side was given no credit for that in the SLI, because the arbitration team didn't think that would be fair. Now you say there's a possibility that the relative "heaviness" on the South side could be "balanced" by shifting North flying to the South so that we could furlough from the pre-merger lists in order to better "balance" the furloughs.
That being said, it is a moot point. Any furlough after SOC will be in inverse seniority order. Period. They can shift flying all they want but that doesn't really matter. So anyone can try to arbitrate that, but the answer is pretty clear, it will be done per the contract.
If they are going to furlough prior to SOC, then they better get real busy with the displacements real quick. One area they are short or right staffed is in MD-88 and DC-9 F/O's. If they start furloughing without the displacements, they will have to sit airplanes down quickly. The smaller narrowbodies are the planes they want flying right now to keep capacity down.
The PRIP will be done in August. If they hang a bid right then it will close in September. If they start training in October, they will not be able to really move a lot of pilots back into position until mid November to early December. The timeline just doesn't seem to indicate an ability to furlough prior to SOC.
That said, I don't think they are going to furlough, unless some other big event occurs or if the economy fails to turn in 2010.
06-13-2009, 08:05 AM
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Just curious to some of you that seem to have good info, is there been any talk of using tools to mitigate a furlough? Such as lowering block time, temporary LOAs, etc... It just seems expensive to furlough 150-200 guys for the fall, giving the cost of the flow-down to cpz.
06-13-2009, 08:41 AM
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06-13-2009, 08:49 AM
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Well, we are in this together now. A week ago it was anticipated 747 displacements and now it is anticipated 767 displacements. On Virginia Avenue they aren't thinking North or South, they are matching capacity to demand and revenue. In their opinion, our job is to complete the mission, where ever it happens to be on whatever they need to fly. They expect us to do that job and have neither the inclination to hear our concerns about out personal problems, nor a sympathetic ear.
We made the deal and we voted on it. It is what it is. Time for us to get up at the crack of dawn, get the airplane ready to go and fly the thing. Here comes the real work of the merger.
We made the deal and we voted on it. It is what it is. Time for us to get up at the crack of dawn, get the airplane ready to go and fly the thing. Here comes the real work of the merger.
Carl
06-13-2009, 08:53 AM
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06-13-2009, 08:57 AM
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Well then, lets start a "Top Ten... uses for removed RJ Seats"
(1) Federal Aviation Regulation Part 25 rated child seats
(2) Tax write off
(3) Simulator for seats mounted 1 foot above the window opening
(4) Home theater seats for Ethiopians
(5) Life vest holder
(6) Replacement seats for roller coasters
(7) Side cars for Vespa scooters, as equipped with castering shopping cart wheels
(8) Waiting room chairs for OBama's health care services
(9) Upgrade interior for Yugo Sport model
(10) Device to assist in retrieving information from persons of interest who have shown resistance to waterboarding
help me out here .....
(1) Federal Aviation Regulation Part 25 rated child seats
(2) Tax write off
(3) Simulator for seats mounted 1 foot above the window opening
(4) Home theater seats for Ethiopians
(5) Life vest holder
(6) Replacement seats for roller coasters
(7) Side cars for Vespa scooters, as equipped with castering shopping cart wheels
(8) Waiting room chairs for OBama's health care services
(9) Upgrade interior for Yugo Sport model
(10) Device to assist in retrieving information from persons of interest who have shown resistance to waterboarding
help me out here .....
06-13-2009, 09:02 AM
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06-13-2009, 09:05 AM
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If they are going to furlough prior to SOC, then they better get real busy with the displacements real quick. One area they are short or right staffed is in MD-88 and DC-9 F/O's. If they start furloughing without the displacements, they will have to sit airplanes down quickly. The smaller narrowbodies are the planes they want flying right now to keep capacity down.
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06-13-2009, 09:13 AM
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I don't disagree. I'm talking about a furlough BEFORE SOC. ACL posted a thinking out loud comment that stated maybe management could shift North flying to the South side in order to balance out furloughs. He said that just seemed to "make sense." What would be your thoughts if that were to happen?
Carl
Carl
06-13-2009, 09:41 AM
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At least I got to see the Red Wings lose the Stanley Cup last night. That was great. 
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