Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
06-12-2009, 10:06 AM
#8281
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Which point?
1) If Delta pilots are furloughed, they are furloughed. A flow through does not mitigate that fact. If we merge with say, Alaska, a Delta pilot at Compass is not a Delta pilot. They are still not active Delta pilots like they would be if we had a single list.
2) We have pilots on furlough bypass who did not want to come back to NWA, but who now want to come back to Delta. About 250 of them if I remember. Delta pilots are at the bottom of the list. My point was that if/when a Delta pilot gets furloughed, he will be recalled after all the other furlough bypass pilots are recalled, in seniority order.
That's probably fair, but it is ugly for those hired in 2007 and 2008.
1) If Delta pilots are furloughed, they are furloughed. A flow through does not mitigate that fact. If we merge with say, Alaska, a Delta pilot at Compass is not a Delta pilot. They are still not active Delta pilots like they would be if we had a single list.
2) We have pilots on furlough bypass who did not want to come back to NWA, but who now want to come back to Delta. About 250 of them if I remember. Delta pilots are at the bottom of the list. My point was that if/when a Delta pilot gets furloughed, he will be recalled after all the other furlough bypass pilots are recalled, in seniority order.
That's probably fair, but it is ugly for those hired in 2007 and 2008.
ok I think I have it now
Anyone know how many people are still out on furlough bypass?
06-12-2009, 10:10 AM
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Also if they are saying 450, they is really close to the 476 that can be furloughed on the joint list with out a real kick on the 76 seat scope trigger.
To answer the question. I do not see more than 300 going. That is my own worst case.
If you add 150 PERPS to that you are looking at 450. If DAL really has realized that 2010 is going to suck, I can see them taking all of the 476, but the problem with that, is that they would be training at CPS for four straight years.
Why? Because one you got them train you would start training the ones that were pushed out that bottom of CPS.
Because of the flow provisions I see 150 and if no one takes the PERPS 250. I know that will not be the case though.
To answer the question. I do not see more than 300 going. That is my own worst case.
If you add 150 PERPS to that you are looking at 450. If DAL really has realized that 2010 is going to suck, I can see them taking all of the 476, but the problem with that, is that they would be training at CPS for four straight years.
Why? Because one you got them train you would start training the ones that were pushed out that bottom of CPS.
Because of the flow provisions I see 150 and if no one takes the PERPS 250. I know that will not be the case though.
06-12-2009, 10:11 AM
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I think DAL had about 150 or so. Not sure about NWA. I will look.
06-12-2009, 10:16 AM
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I think we should all go jump off a bridge right now, whose with me? 
Its time to take a breather from all this jumping to conclusions. LOL
Its time to take a breather from all this jumping to conclusions. LOL
06-12-2009, 10:25 AM
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Well it seems realistic to assume that if 150 are furloughed, there will likely be many more who want to come back when the recall starts. All of whom would be senior to the 150 active pilots furloughed. That is something for those of us who would likely be furloughed if and when it actually takes place, to consider.
One thing that has not been discussed as far as I have seen is whether or not DAL will accept forced resignation letters from those us who attempt to seek employment elsewhere if furloughed. I think an effort should be made to change the company's policy on that. I know AA did not accept forced resignation letters from other employers for its furloughees.
One thing that has not been discussed as far as I have seen is whether or not DAL will accept forced resignation letters from those us who attempt to seek employment elsewhere if furloughed. I think an effort should be made to change the company's policy on that. I know AA did not accept forced resignation letters from other employers for its furloughees.
06-12-2009, 10:28 AM
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Well it seems realistic to assume that if 150 are furloughed, there will likely be many more who want to come back when the recall starts. All of whom would be senior to the 150 active pilots furloughed. That is something for those of us who would likely be furloughed if and when it actually takes place, to consider.
One thing that has not been discussed as far as I have seen is whether or not DAL will accept forced resignation letters from those us who attempt to seek employment elsewhere if furloughed. I think an effort should be made to change the company's policy on that. I know AA did not accept forced resignation letters from other employers for its furloughees.
One thing that has not been discussed as far as I have seen is whether or not DAL will accept forced resignation letters from those us who attempt to seek employment elsewhere if furloughed. I think an effort should be made to change the company's policy on that. I know AA did not accept forced resignation letters from other employers for its furloughees.
06-12-2009, 10:30 AM
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Talk about kickin a guy when he is down!
06-12-2009, 10:33 AM
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Seriously though, why would DAL accept a resignation letter from a furloughed pilot who was just trying to find a job elsewhere while furloughed and had to "resign his seniority" at DAL as a condition of employment?
Talk about kickin a guy when he is down!
Talk about kickin a guy when he is down!
(1) That's what they have done in the past and it was a big issue
(2) What the employee asked for, in writing
(3) Reduction in company costs - less longevity = less pay. Most airlines (don't know about Delta) wish pilots would leave after the 5 year point on the longevity (cost) curve. That's one huge reason we need unions in this profession.
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