Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-06-2011, 05:58 PM
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Ok, for all you smart guys..........
What is a "shadow bid" in PBS. It's after I'm done with training, but it doesn't go all the way to the end of the month. Can I bid a trip that goes into those supposedly days off at the end of the month?
I'm thinking just bidding a list of trips as normal and then have training take them away when I'm scheduled for OE (glad I'm not senior enough to take nice ones)? Also, I assume I'm on some sort of reserve until the end of the month after OE? Or is that the "wrong company".........only been 13 years since I did a school
What is a "shadow bid" in PBS. It's after I'm done with training, but it doesn't go all the way to the end of the month. Can I bid a trip that goes into those supposedly days off at the end of the month?
I'm thinking just bidding a list of trips as normal and then have training take them away when I'm scheduled for OE (glad I'm not senior enough to take nice ones)? Also, I assume I'm on some sort of reserve until the end of the month after OE? Or is that the "wrong company".........only been 13 years since I did a school
12-06-2011, 06:01 PM
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12-06-2011, 07:00 PM
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Whidbey;
I agree with almost eveything you said. The buck does begin and end with us. If you are new to mother D as your avatar says, you will find that about 65% of your coworkers vote yes every time. If you should on occasion find yourself in the 35% crowd, welcome to reality. This isn't baseball arbitration. There are no merit upgrades. There are no O-2 or O-3 NATOPs or OEV (DOV) guys.
-88 drvr came to DAL from TWA, a major airline that worked for less due to a robber baron who gutted that company. If you were in his shoes and noone was hiring, would you have chosen unemployment due to your principles or would you have continued to feed your family while you tried to move up to a better (paying) company.
I am not new to mother D. I miss that starry eyed great feeling when I got hired. I didn't know squat about unions. I grew up in the merit upgrade culture of the military.
While I cannot put it into words why, I don't begrudge the vast majority of regional pilots on anything (there are some bottom feeders that I cant vouch for). I dont know why, despite really REALLY wanting to reel in scope. I dont want to just pull up the ladder. I say bring 'em aboard, they've been doing the job of flying DAL pax for years.
In the end, pilots are only worth what the MAJORITY are willing to work for.
I agree with almost eveything you said. The buck does begin and end with us. If you are new to mother D as your avatar says, you will find that about 65% of your coworkers vote yes every time. If you should on occasion find yourself in the 35% crowd, welcome to reality. This isn't baseball arbitration. There are no merit upgrades. There are no O-2 or O-3 NATOPs or OEV (DOV) guys.
-88 drvr came to DAL from TWA, a major airline that worked for less due to a robber baron who gutted that company. If you were in his shoes and noone was hiring, would you have chosen unemployment due to your principles or would you have continued to feed your family while you tried to move up to a better (paying) company.
I am not new to mother D. I miss that starry eyed great feeling when I got hired. I didn't know squat about unions. I grew up in the merit upgrade culture of the military.
While I cannot put it into words why, I don't begrudge the vast majority of regional pilots on anything (there are some bottom feeders that I cant vouch for). I dont know why, despite really REALLY wanting to reel in scope. I dont want to just pull up the ladder. I say bring 'em aboard, they've been doing the job of flying DAL pax for years.
In the end, pilots are only worth what the MAJORITY are willing to work for.
Thanks for the course correction. I didn't intend to stand in judgement of 88 driver or anyone else for that matter. I just think some guys on here tend to cast blame at the senior mainline guys vice taking a critical look at their own actions and the effect those actions have on the market value of piloting services. Simply put, I'm seeing a lot of senior mainline guys taking it on the chin with respect to the current scope situation, but the implication of shared responsibility (which I believe is fair) seems to be much less palatable to the APC crowd. If you want to change the world, the best place to start is looking at you the mirror.
The attitude that many APC guys seem to have towards the senior pilots reminds me of the incredulous Gunnery Sergeant Hartman in Full Metal Jacket as he discovers Private Pyle's unlocked footlocker. "If it wasn't for ----- like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world!" Private Pyle is a tool, but he wouldn't be 100% responsible for any theft from his foot locker by a third party.
All of our discussion on APC about C2012 is firmly planted in the realm of the irrelevant. Our level of responsibility, how much pilots used to make, etc. etc. is much less important than the fact that someone else is willing to do the same job for much less money. The free market will find a way.
Apologies if I came across as attacking a person rather than attacking an idea or opinion.
12-06-2011, 07:06 PM
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You'll all have to excuse alfaromeo here. He lied to us a few days ago and I called him on it. So, as always, he refuses to answer the original question and lashes out against anyone who questions the MEC bureaucrat. The following is for the others who are NOT trying to deflect and change the subject:
All data available on the respective corporate balance sheets as of 9/30/2011:
Total Assets: DAL = $43.0 Billion, AMR = $24.7 Billion
This makes AMR about 43% smaller than DAL. In other words, you need to multiply an AMR datapoint by 1.74 to make it comparable. For example, take AMR assets of $24.7 Billion and multiply it by 1.74 and you get DAL assets of $43 Billion. Now, lets start the comparisons:
Total Liabilities: DAL = $41.8 Billion, AMR = $29.6 Billion. Multiply $29.6 Billion by 1.74 and you get $51.5 Billion. That's $10 Billion more liability than they should have compared to Delta.
Long and Short Term Debt: DAL = $14.5 Billion, AMR = $11.7 Billion. Multiply $11.7 Billion by 1.74 and you get $20.4 Billion. That's $5.9 Billion more Long and Short Term Debt than they should have compared to Delta.
Delta Assets = $43.0 Billion, Liabilites = $41.8 Billion. $1.2 Billion LESS.
AMR Assets = $24.7 Billion, Liabilities = $29.6 Billion. $4.9 Billion MORE.
This is why I assert that AMR is where they are (bankruptcy court) because of a debt problem. NOT a lack of Joint Ventures and code share as alfaromeo asserts.
Again, all data readily available on the web if anyone wants to check it out for themselves.
Carl
All data available on the respective corporate balance sheets as of 9/30/2011:
Total Assets: DAL = $43.0 Billion, AMR = $24.7 Billion
This makes AMR about 43% smaller than DAL. In other words, you need to multiply an AMR datapoint by 1.74 to make it comparable. For example, take AMR assets of $24.7 Billion and multiply it by 1.74 and you get DAL assets of $43 Billion. Now, lets start the comparisons:
Total Liabilities: DAL = $41.8 Billion, AMR = $29.6 Billion. Multiply $29.6 Billion by 1.74 and you get $51.5 Billion. That's $10 Billion more liability than they should have compared to Delta.
Long and Short Term Debt: DAL = $14.5 Billion, AMR = $11.7 Billion. Multiply $11.7 Billion by 1.74 and you get $20.4 Billion. That's $5.9 Billion more Long and Short Term Debt than they should have compared to Delta.
Delta Assets = $43.0 Billion, Liabilites = $41.8 Billion. $1.2 Billion LESS.
AMR Assets = $24.7 Billion, Liabilities = $29.6 Billion. $4.9 Billion MORE.
This is why I assert that AMR is where they are (bankruptcy court) because of a debt problem. NOT a lack of Joint Ventures and code share as alfaromeo asserts.
Again, all data readily available on the web if anyone wants to check it out for themselves.
Carl
At least you now acknowledge that your first statement that American has double the debt of Delta is completely wrong. Let's see what you come up with after you redo your margins. Do you have any answer to the question about how American wouldn't make a profit this year even if they paid no interest?
Finally, while you are doing your research, please let me know why Delta's PRASM performance is massively above American's this year. Do you have any reasonable explanation?
12-06-2011, 07:09 PM
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You're the only one talking about following the "steam rolled" examples alfaromeo. The rest of us are talking about following the examples of SWA and FDX. The sad fact is that while we're studying those successful examples, you MEC bureaucrats are busy mischaracterizing them in the hopes of getting us the results of the "steam rolled." All the flight pay loss in the world couldn't make me do what you do here alfaromeo.
Carl
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12-06-2011, 07:48 PM
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With that said, do you ever intend to answer the question I've asked of you at least a dozen times now? The question is: where is your backup to your statement that AMR is in trouble now because of their lack of Joint Ventures and code share?
Carl
12-06-2011, 07:49 PM
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12-06-2011, 07:53 PM
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Have a friend on the RC-135 in Omaha and he and his wife absolutely love it there! Someone mentioned Flying Saucer? Go check out the one in Columbia! During happy hour $8.95 will get you a meal and a nice brew! The capt I was with kept talking about how cheap it was for the remaining 3 days of our 4 day. I was more into the scenery.
OMA was a nice surprise when I stayed there. Great steaks and a pretty good German comfort food restaurant nearby. Easy to walk...and SAFE!
Found an Irish bar there that had a Happy Hour gimmick. They'd give you a ticket with four tabs. Pull one tab, that's what you paid for your drink. I REALLY like $.50 Guinness pints!
Regarding DFW... Shopping at the Galleria, for the F/As, beverages and food for the pilots. It's flat too, for running.
12-06-2011, 08:13 PM
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You bring up a good point that I was wondering about:
Do DAL and LCC get the proceeds of the slot swap auction? Where might I find that information?
Thanks... in advance.
12-06-2011, 08:29 PM
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Since newK is now going to be on the 757/767, let's see how he gets ready for work each day:
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