Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-05-2011, 08:27 PM
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Downtown layovers are in our contract to benefit us, not the company. I have seen numerous times over the years where we have waived the downtown requirement for transit time, security, or availability of dining options.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
I'm all for staying in the best possible location, wherever it may be. Removing the requirement for a downtown hotel from our contract would be the wrong way to handle the problem, IMO.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
I'm all for staying in the best possible location, wherever it may be. Removing the requirement for a downtown hotel from our contract would be the wrong way to handle the problem, IMO.
12-05-2011, 09:57 PM
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Downtown layovers are in our contract to benefit us, not the company. I have seen numerous times over the years where we have waived the downtown requirement for transit time, security, or availability of dining options.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
I'm all for staying in the best possible location, wherever it may be. Removing the requirement for a downtown hotel from our contract would be the wrong way to handle the problem, IMO.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
I'm all for staying in the best possible location, wherever it may be. Removing the requirement for a downtown hotel from our contract would be the wrong way to handle the problem, IMO.
If it is 14 hours or longer, I want Manhattan layovers. Don't be such wimps, you gotta love NYC! If you don't like it, don't bid it, and fogetaboutit!
12-05-2011, 10:08 PM
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I agree. I like staying in Manhattan if it's 14+ hours. I absolutely hate the ******** near JFK. Definitely one of our worst hotels in the system. I cringe when I see it on a rotation.
Last edited by acl65pilot; 12-06-2011 at 02:40 AM. Reason: Security
12-05-2011, 10:14 PM
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Downtown layovers are in our contract to benefit us, not the company. I have seen numerous times over the years where we have waived the downtown requirement for transit time, security, or availability of dining options.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
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Last edited by johnso29; 12-06-2011 at 02:08 AM.
12-06-2011, 02:31 AM
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Re the JFK ********-- I've stayed there, both on layovers and as a commuter. You're right, not much going on there, but there aren't many options close to the airport. There are better places east of the airport, but drive time becomes a factor.
FWIW, there's some good Carribean food to be had on Rockaway Blvd., about two blocks to the west of the *********. Not fancy places, obviously, but good. I probably wouldn't go at night, but I've gone for lunch. Plenty of good takeout places; mostly Italian and Asian.
Last edited by acl65pilot; 12-06-2011 at 02:41 AM. Reason: No hotel names
12-06-2011, 02:32 AM
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12-06-2011, 04:05 AM
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Downtown layovers are in our contract to benefit us, not the company. I have seen numerous times over the years where we have waived the downtown requirement for transit time, security, or availability of dining options.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
I'm all for staying in the best possible location, wherever it may be. Removing the requirement for a downtown hotel from our contract would be the wrong way to handle the problem, IMO.
Istanbul and Mumbai are no longer downtown. New York was once extended from 12 to 14 hours for the minimum downtown layover (is it still?). Any number of crummy layovers in the deep south were moved to the suburbs (Holiday Inns on the out lots of shopping malls were the norm in my DC9/MD88 days).
In my experience, it simply takes enough people complaining about a layover to get it changed. The company is happy to do it, since it generally saves them money.
I'm all for staying in the best possible location, wherever it may be. Removing the requirement for a downtown hotel from our contract would be the wrong way to handle the problem, IMO.
12-06-2011, 04:14 AM
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Have a friend on the RC-135 in Omaha and he and his wife absolutely love it there! Someone mentioned Flying Saucer? Go check out the one in Columbia! During happy hour $8.95 will get you a meal and a nice brew! The capt I was with kept talking about how cheap it was for the remaining 3 days of our 4 day. I was more into the scenery.
12-06-2011, 04:41 AM
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I agree. During my last years flying domestic 75/76, I was there every week.
Re the JFK ********-- I've stayed there, both on layovers and as a commuter. You're right, not much going on there, but there aren't many options close to the airport. There are better places east of the airport, but drive time becomes a factor.
FWIW, there's some good Carribean food to be had on Rockaway Blvd., about two blocks to the west of the *********. Not fancy places, obviously, but good. I probably wouldn't go at night, but I've gone for lunch. Plenty of good takeout places; mostly Italian and Asian.
Re the JFK ********-- I've stayed there, both on layovers and as a commuter. You're right, not much going on there, but there aren't many options close to the airport. There are better places east of the airport, but drive time becomes a factor.
FWIW, there's some good Carribean food to be had on Rockaway Blvd., about two blocks to the west of the *********. Not fancy places, obviously, but good. I probably wouldn't go at night, but I've gone for lunch. Plenty of good takeout places; mostly Italian and Asian.
also watch out for airport layover hotel in ewr! stayed there last week, walked to corner beer store for some cheap beer and on my way back guy came out from behind building on bike after me. I went out in traffic against the flow to shake him. dont leave that hotel on foot!
12-06-2011, 05:19 AM
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At least you know what team he plays for:
From his bio.....
Prior to accepting his research position at MIT, Swelbar spent 25 years in the consulting world with a focus on airline labor cost restructuring, regulatory issues governing air transport, communication strategy and support, and air service development on behalf of airports and communities.
Hey,
Slow and Alfa, if your gig at DALPA evaporates, maybe he can fit you guys in over at his head shed.
From his bio.....
Prior to accepting his research position at MIT, Swelbar spent 25 years in the consulting world with a focus on airline labor cost restructuring, regulatory issues governing air transport, communication strategy and support, and air service development on behalf of airports and communities.
Hey,
Slow and Alfa, if your gig at DALPA evaporates, maybe he can fit you guys in over at his head shed.
Spot on, Manager.
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