Launchpad475

Originally Posted by Delta1067
What are PERPS?
Early retirement program.

That's one way to put it. Another way would be for DALPA to allow pilots to retire, then come back and fly the line while being off the seniority list. With 1000 guys on furlough no less.....

Great program, hope to see that again.

newKnow

scambo,

As with everything, if I can do it, anyone can do it.

But, if you are senior to me -- which I think you are -- everything I do and bid is very difficult and not worth it at all.

New K

Bucking Bar

It is highly unlikely that would ever happen again. There simply isn't the demand to hire pilots to come back right now.

johnso29

Actually, I think there is some confusion. We are referring to the latest early out programs, not the DAL pre BK ones. Maybe they were called PRIPs? Sorry for the confusion.

newKnow

I'm gonna have to add that to the list.

Reasons not to bid the ER in NYC:

1.) 3 airports to cover which are 100 miles apart.
2.) Bedbugs.
3.) ATC congestion.
4.) Mean people.
5.) Expensive food.
6.) Evil Flight Attendants.
7.) Godzilla bid into the category.

Thanks 80.

Bucking Bar

George, you and I are in complete agreement, but there is nothing we can do about it right now. I'm a little surprised we are not furloughing a few hundred pilots for 24 months as a result of this single MOU.

My concern is that we see this sort of contractual side step of ratification happening via MOU's and grievance settlements. The most shocking example being that of the American Eagle waiver of Section 1 by their Grievance Committee Chair.

IMHO ANY change to Section 1 should be at least an MEC vote. Strangely, and inexplicably, our MEC defends the status quo. It is like they want to continue to trade in our job protection provisions, but don't want the responsibility ... a "super committee of one." When he dirt hits the fan, the Reps can blame the "one" and replace him without much political fall out.

Perhaps a resolution at the lower levels would at least get this talked about on the MEC level.

Carl Spackler

So there's nothing we can do about this? Really?

I know you hate talking about this Bar, but there IS something we can do about it. 4,000 pilots plus and growing have already decided.

Carl

forgot to bid

If sex is the Novocain that makes marriage possible then saying "we're going to start trying and sometimes it takes a year or so" must be the Oxycontin.

You're world will change forever for the better that first time they make real eye contact with you and smile and you realize you're everything to them... do that math on how long that takes though and hang in there til then.

To make this relevant, I've made one landing in a real MD-88 in 50 days but I am primed and ready for any catastrophe, RTO, OEI, GPWS or windshear event or even a simple go-around thanks to recurrent. What's nice is they put the ATL guys in the 90 sim for recurrent, that sim is niiiiice. But I must say the crew resources emailers are fascinating to read.

Bill Lumberg

I wasn't a fan of it either, but that is what happens when you only have to give 24 hours to retire. When things started to hit the fan before Bankruptcy, everyone was thinking about it. Every senior Delta 777 Captain could have left within 24 hours. How do you staff a fleet if that is the case? How do you plan for contingencies when every 777 Captain could bail out? I am not pro-company per se, but that PERP program allowed retiring check airmen to stick around long enough to train other people to cover for the bailing pilots. It wasn't perfect, but it kept the fleet flying. Had those planes been parked, we would have had even worse problems. The problem was allowing 24 hour notice for retirement. How about 30 days min? Give everyone a chance to start training or issue a bid to cover.

Rudder

I viewed the PERP as the companies get out of jail free card that we stupidly gave them, whereas bankruptcy these days is not the failure of a business plan, it IS the plan. Just like people who ran up vast amounts on credit cards, and then filed for bankruptcy, knowing full well all along that would be their scapegoat.

Naw, I don't buy it!!