Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-02-2011, 06:47 PM
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Also of note: From an R & I report from last spring, roughly 60% of pilots were remaining active to 62 and 63, and about 70% to 61. Its probably a pretty safe assumption that roughly 50% will remain active to 65.
12-02-2011, 06:53 PM
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- Ailitalia was added
- Martinair was taken out of the AF figures so they could transfer flying there to side step our labor agreement
- Delta's baseline decreased from 51.7 to what must be at least 48.5% (50%-1.5%)
- Each month a percentage is measured. That percentage stands on its own and is not averaged
- 12 month breach language removed
- "end of summer" breach language removed
- 90 day cure language removed
- three year breach language added
- Over three years Delta's flying must be at least 48.5%.* If Delta breaches our agreement, Delta then has 12 months to become compliant. If during that 12 months, the monthly percentage is = or > 48.5% the measurement period beings anew.
- earliest compliance could be required is 31 March 2015
Made a simple phone call on the AF agreement. What was not noted here is that if the company falls out of compliance in a measurement period they have to come back into compliance in 12 months for the 3 year look back period. That means that if they allow Delta to fall even a small amount behind the 48.5 percent number they would have to have a massive increase in flying in the correction year to get back to the rolling 3 year average. It in effect makes its very difficult if not impossible for the company to fall below the average it needs. The routes picked up from AF this winter are to insure the company does not fall into that situation. A significant portion of the reductions to Europe are to allow for the lie flat seat mod on the 7ER fleet. There will be a issue again next winter as they complete the mod line for the aircraft. As we pick up the flying in the Spring AF will pick back up the ORD route. SEA may stick with us.
I thought through a number of scenarios to unscrew this ... couldn't come up with anything that would have a positive result other than supporting our MEC.
* No comment is made in the source document about the calculation of the percentage flying. In a public interview XX told the pilots that the calculations were made on a month by month basis and that those figures were NOT carried forward as an average, or aggregate.
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12-02-2011, 07:48 PM
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That sucks! Is there any sort of coverage on it?
In my attempts to "need" to replace my 2007 lappy, I've spilled drinks (adult and family) on it before, sent it down escalators in the airport, and dribbled goodness knows how many crumbs onto it. Stupid thing still keeps trucking.
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In my attempts to "need" to replace my 2007 lappy, I've spilled drinks (adult and family) on it before, sent it down escalators in the airport, and dribbled goodness knows how many crumbs onto it. Stupid thing still keeps trucking.
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Only weighed 30 lbs and had a whopping 256k RAM (No Hard Drive). The dot matrix printer killed.
12-02-2011, 08:06 PM
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Then there is PWA 1.P.4 Note Two
If the company reaches 49.75% for a 12 month period, all previous capacity share percentages will be disregarded and a new three year measurement period begins.
If we fly 40%, 40%, 49.75% our average will be 43.25 but because of Note Two, Delta is off the hook because it met the 49.75% for the last rolling 12-month period.
One year of nearly 50% flying wipes out all accrued flying-deficit from previous years.
If the company reaches 49.75% for a 12 month period, all previous capacity share percentages will be disregarded and a new three year measurement period begins.
If we fly 40%, 40%, 49.75% our average will be 43.25 but because of Note Two, Delta is off the hook because it met the 49.75% for the last rolling 12-month period.
One year of nearly 50% flying wipes out all accrued flying-deficit from previous years.
Its not that I have a stedfast faith in ALPA or whatever, but I have a hard time imagining anyone would agree to something as insane as that. Is this really what we just did to ourselves?
If this is true, we need to watch out for a similar POS for Pacific JV's and even South America JV's. I can just see it now...we rotate to grab 49.75% of one theatre every 3 years as we gut the other two for two years. Someone please tell me this is not how it is (and please show your work so a simple guy can understand it).
12-02-2011, 08:11 PM
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12-02-2011, 08:20 PM
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I briefly dated a girl in college who actually had one of those.... in 1995. I think it may have been a newer model. The screen popped up and rotated out, and I know it had a hard drive because there was this strangely addictive game involving gorillas and throwing bananas that shaved at least 0.3 off my GPA.
12-02-2011, 08:26 PM
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A little random, but I love the targeted advertising on here. The current ad for me says "fly Delta to Minneapolis" haha! I think they need to work on figuring out their audience a little better.
(PS I just flew into Minneapolis on a different airline
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(PS I just flew into Minneapolis on a different airline
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12-02-2011, 08:37 PM
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I briefly dated a girl in college who actually had one of those.... in 1995. I think it may have been a newer model. The screen popped up and rotated out, and I know it had a hard drive because there was this strangely addictive game involving gorillas and throwing bananas that shaved at least 0.3 off my GPA.
12-03-2011, 03:52 AM
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12-03-2011, 04:01 AM
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You need to call the office and have them explain how it works. Its a very complex agreement but what your post is still not correct. This was hashed out on the Dalpa forum a while back but the thread has dropped off and I can't copy it. What your posting was brought up and explained. They can't go to zero zero and then 49.5 percent and all is well.
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