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11-19-2011, 02:47 PM
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RE: 24/7 Rule
I had the same question last month regarding reserve. Called an apla contract guy and was told 24/7 does not apply to 7ER reserve duty pilots. I asked why and was informed that the long call 12 hr day negates the FAR requirement for 24/7 rest. I remember FNWA honored the 24/7 issue, I am not sure why its now void? So, a reserve pilot may be required to work reserve for 10 days straight without a 24/7 break.
I had the same question last month regarding reserve. Called an apla contract guy and was told 24/7 does not apply to 7ER reserve duty pilots. I asked why and was informed that the long call 12 hr day negates the FAR requirement for 24/7 rest. I remember FNWA honored the 24/7 issue, I am not sure why its now void? So, a reserve pilot may be required to work reserve for 10 days straight without a 24/7 break.
"The requirement to be relieved of all duty for 24 hours in any 7
consecutive days applies to all pilots except international 4-man crew.
The 7 consecutive days are considered to be calendar days, while the 24
hours may be any 24 consecutive hours, i.e., not necessarily a calendar
day, and may occur on a layover.
Note that this is a flight limitation. A pilot may fly for 6 days and train
or deadhead on the 7th day. A reserve pilot may be on call for any
number of consecutive days, but must have been released from telephone
responsibilities for 24 hours at some point in the past 7 days prior to
reporting for domestic flight duty."
11-19-2011, 03:44 PM
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From the December flight ops update. Apologies if already posted.
NO PILOT HIRING ANTICIPATED IN 2012
Planned pilot hours are down in 2012 and we do not anticipate hiring during the next 12 months. However, we
are aware of the impending wave of pilots who will reach age 65 in the next 5-15 years and we are
continuously analyzing the situation. One point of interest is that among the domestic legacy carriers Delta has
the highest pilot average age. Crew Resources is working closely with Flight Training to identify our maximum
new-hire throughput in order to develop a long-term hiring plan. We are aware that this issue is not exclusive to
Delta and is both a domestic and worldwide industry issue and as such we will be competing for a limited pool
of qualified pilots.
NO PILOT HIRING ANTICIPATED IN 2012
Planned pilot hours are down in 2012 and we do not anticipate hiring during the next 12 months. However, we
are aware of the impending wave of pilots who will reach age 65 in the next 5-15 years and we are
continuously analyzing the situation. One point of interest is that among the domestic legacy carriers Delta has
the highest pilot average age. Crew Resources is working closely with Flight Training to identify our maximum
new-hire throughput in order to develop a long-term hiring plan. We are aware that this issue is not exclusive to
Delta and is both a domestic and worldwide industry issue and as such we will be competing for a limited pool
of qualified pilots.
When I read that letter, I also noticed this section. I think Mgmt is taking a wait and see approach to other carriers and upcoming developments. Hiring is unavoidable, but the hiring could take the form of a merger.
I don't know anything, just how I read it with a slightly pessemistic slant.
11-19-2011, 03:47 PM
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11-19-2011, 03:47 PM
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Yes I do sit short call for JFK and LGA. I bid into the 737 when then had EWR trips, now they are none. That may change, and I am hoping it does. As for the short call, I am within the guidelines of being reasonably available to any of the NYC bases. EWER just happens to be closest for me...1 .3 hours.
Shortcall is readily or promptly available. Long call is reasonably available. I think in NYC and LA both, the S/C interpretation is "hey, I'm doing the best I can."
11-19-2011, 03:53 PM
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The NC is certainly earning their keep. Thank them next time you get to go home with full pay when a trip is dropped due to OE, or when you deviate PS from a DH on the front end of a trip, or . . . . I could go on for awhile, but I'm sure you were making a joke there
11-19-2011, 04:06 PM
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When I read that letter, I also noticed this section. I think Mgmt is taking a wait and see approach to other carriers and upcoming developments. Hiring is unavoidable, but the hiring could take the form of a merger.
I don't know anything, just how I read it with a slightly pessemistic slant.
I don't know anything, just how I read it with a slightly pessemistic slant.
Does seem like we may be right-sizing ourselves for some type of consolidation.
Now what's the over/under on ALK? Or HA?
11-19-2011, 05:04 PM
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At this point, i'd rather just see a merger happen and have it over with already. It'd be better than seeing all our flying being given away to our code share partners while we experience "modest" cutbacks.
Does seem like we may be right-sizing ourselves for some type of consolidation.
Now what's the over/under on ALK? Or HA?
Does seem like we may be right-sizing ourselves for some type of consolidation.
Now what's the over/under on ALK? Or HA?
IMO, the chess pieces are: AA, LCC, HA, and AK. There are also too many additional moving pieces (companies) to list with if this happens, then that happens outcomes. Most of the permutations have been discussed. AA can't buy AK. We'll see what happens with the AA contract / BK issue.
Personally, I'd rather see us hire and buy planes. I would like to move upward in this lifetime.
I'm also interested in seeing what happens with Frontier. I wonder if there is a market for that company anymore. I wonder if we have any folks that have left to go to HA or planning to try to go to AK. It would be interesting to see what the best decision for a junior pilot is, stay or go whenever the dust settles.
Holy cow is anyone beside T watching TN Vandy. Is this the first game of the year for Vandy when they haven't disappointed. Yeah I know, they still have time to disappoint.
11-19-2011, 05:06 PM
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Clempson!!! frowny face. BC bowl? Is that like the southern version of the children's tylenol bowl.
11-19-2011, 05:10 PM
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11-19-2011, 05:13 PM
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But are you sitting reserve in PA for LGA/JFK though?
Or how about this - how about we add a stipend for NYC based RESERVE crews, no?
I don't think that's unfair. Because where should a NYC pilot sit SC reserve? Should they be near JFK/LGA where a vast majority of their flights will originate and end or EWR? Because if they have cover both then if you sit at one and have to travel to the other it will be time consuming and expensive to cross the verrazanno bridge. I mean let's be honest, the city is the best place for them to sit reserve but if it's too expensive for Delta it's too expensive for those employed by Delta.
So there, option C: A stipend for NYC reserve pilots. $1000/mo? You want to be NYC centric, then pay up, damn place is too expensive to be treated as if it costs the same as mecca. Or even a reimbursement for flights originating out of EWR that goes over guarantee. Say $200 each trip
BTW, when it comes to hotels I do know that for some management employees at DAL they can have work in the city for several days but the company will not pay for a hotel inside the city. DALPA may. Not the company though. I'm sure they want to cut that bill and that sucks because I love NYC long overnights.
Or how about this - how about we add a stipend for NYC based RESERVE crews, no?
I don't think that's unfair. Because where should a NYC pilot sit SC reserve? Should they be near JFK/LGA where a vast majority of their flights will originate and end or EWR? Because if they have cover both then if you sit at one and have to travel to the other it will be time consuming and expensive to cross the verrazanno bridge. I mean let's be honest, the city is the best place for them to sit reserve but if it's too expensive for Delta it's too expensive for those employed by Delta.
So there, option C: A stipend for NYC reserve pilots. $1000/mo? You want to be NYC centric, then pay up, damn place is too expensive to be treated as if it costs the same as mecca. Or even a reimbursement for flights originating out of EWR that goes over guarantee. Say $200 each trip
BTW, when it comes to hotels I do know that for some management employees at DAL they can have work in the city for several days but the company will not pay for a hotel inside the city. DALPA may.
Not the company though. I'm sure they want to cut that bill and that sucks because I love NYC long overnights.But, what about LAX/SNA/ONT based crews? Do they get in on the action?
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