Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-19-2011, 12:19 PM
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Even so, the fact that DALPA spent any time, energy--or expended any type of influence, no matter how small--on the FAs' wish list, is simply stunning.
Apparently DALPA thinks they've got everything for the pilots under control, and can start tackling the FAs' wants.
Apparently DALPA thinks they've got everything for the pilots under control, and can start tackling the FAs' wants.
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!!!!!!!
11-19-2011, 12:21 PM
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RE: 24/7 Rule
I had the same question last month regarding reserve. Called an apla contract guy and was told 24/7 does not apply to 7ER reserve duty pilots. I asked why and was informed that the long call 12 hr day negates the FAR requirement for 24/7 rest. I remember FNWA honored the 24/7 issue, I am not sure why its now void? So, a reserve pilot may be required to work reserve for 10 days straight without a 24/7 break.
11-19-2011, 12:31 PM
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RE: 24/7 Rule
I had the same question last month regarding reserve. Called an apla contract guy and was told 24/7 does not apply to 7ER reserve duty pilots. I asked why and was informed that the long call 12 hr day negates the FAR requirement for 24/7 rest. I remember FNWA honored the 24/7 issue, I am not sure why its now void? So, a reserve pilot may be required to work reserve for 10 days straight without a 24/7 break.
I had the same question last month regarding reserve. Called an apla contract guy and was told 24/7 does not apply to 7ER reserve duty pilots. I asked why and was informed that the long call 12 hr day negates the FAR requirement for 24/7 rest. I remember FNWA honored the 24/7 issue, I am not sure why its now void? So, a reserve pilot may be required to work reserve for 10 days straight without a 24/7 break.
11-19-2011, 12:35 PM
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Fair enough Scoop (and sailing mentioned something similar happening before) so that's an understandable complaint.
So to me two options:
A) Separate NYC and EWR, or
B) Pay for transportation for reserve pilots from JFK/LGA to EWR for pilots sitting short call. So get your bottom to JFK/LGA and we'll pay for the cab to EWR.
So to me two options:
A) Separate NYC and EWR, or
B) Pay for transportation for reserve pilots from JFK/LGA to EWR for pilots sitting short call. So get your bottom to JFK/LGA and we'll pay for the cab to EWR.
Now option B might not sound fair to the folks in PA and NJ. But I took a look and counted up the NYC 88, 73N and 7ER trips that originate and end in EWR.
For the 88 I found 13 pairings were awarded in December out of 16. For the 73N there were 0 pairings. At least according to the bid package. For the 7ER there were 43 pairings awarded out of 1405 pairings.
If that is correct that means for the 88 a whopping 92% and on the ER 97% originate out of an airport east of the Hudson River.
But for the reserve pilot group they have to be 100% of the time prepared to make it over to EWR. Which could be problematic for the early 88 report times. The ER is mostly just going to AMS from what I can tell.
So have DAL pay for the cab since the assumption is 90%+ of your trips are out of LGA/JFK. $120. At worse you'll pay it 13 times on the 88 and 43 times on the ER but given the show time and propensity for commuters to fly in on the ER I bet it wouldn't happen often. But if it did that's $6,720 for the month of December for walk up rate for a NYC cab with tolls and tip. Sure it's cheaper on contract.
So that's my $0.02.For the 88 I found 13 pairings were awarded in December out of 16. For the 73N there were 0 pairings. At least according to the bid package. For the 7ER there were 43 pairings awarded out of 1405 pairings.
If that is correct that means for the 88 a whopping 92% and on the ER 97% originate out of an airport east of the Hudson River.
But for the reserve pilot group they have to be 100% of the time prepared to make it over to EWR. Which could be problematic for the early 88 report times. The ER is mostly just going to AMS from what I can tell.
So have DAL pay for the cab since the assumption is 90%+ of your trips are out of LGA/JFK. $120. At worse you'll pay it 13 times on the 88 and 43 times on the ER but given the show time and propensity for commuters to fly in on the ER I bet it wouldn't happen often. But if it did that's $6,720 for the month of December for walk up rate for a NYC cab with tolls and tip. Sure it's cheaper on contract.
Probably not a good can of worms to open up, and I DEFINATELY would not want to burn negotiatin capital on this.
11-19-2011, 12:36 PM
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I have been assigned rest for 24/7 in the ER category a few times. I think you got some bad info.
11-19-2011, 12:48 PM
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MY income towards MY dues for "MY" union. In this case, yes. It is about ME.
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11-19-2011, 01:36 PM
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TheTriColor Could not agree more! It's funny to see them play "nice nice" when they want something, but as soon as you do something or ask for something that is seen as an inconvenience to them, the real attitude comes out.
JUST like management!
JUST like management!
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11-19-2011, 02:13 PM
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So with that theory, as a PA guy I can drive to EWR and the company can cab me to my trips that leave out of LGA and JFK, would save me a ton on the tolls to get back and forth over the Hudson.....
Probably not a good can of worms to open up, and I DEFINATELY would not want to burn negotiatin capital on this.
Probably not a good can of worms to open up, and I DEFINATELY would not want to burn negotiatin capital on this.
Forgive my grammar as it was a bit off but the idea was specifically for short call.
See to me it would be just as fair for someone sitting SC in NJ to be transported to JFK/LGA from EWR as it would be for the reverse.
Because I'm not trying to end the fun PA/NJ guys have with EWR but I'm focused on all of those being displaced from MEM into NYC and then sooner or later CVG to NYC and in the meanwhile from any other base to NYC to make room for all of the displacements.
Or how about this - how about we add a stipend for NYC based RESERVE crews, no?
I don't think that's unfair. Because where should a NYC pilot sit SC reserve? Should they be near JFK/LGA where a vast majority of their flights will originate and end or EWR? Because if they have cover both then if you sit at one and have to travel to the other it will be time consuming and expensive to cross the verrazanno bridge. I mean let's be honest, the city is the best place for them to sit reserve but if it's too expensive for Delta it's too expensive for those employed by Delta.
So there, option C: A stipend for NYC reserve pilots. $1000/mo? You want to be NYC centric, then pay up, damn place is too expensive to be treated as if it costs the same as mecca. Or even a reimbursement for flights originating out of EWR that goes over guarantee. Say $200 each trip.
BTW, when it comes to hotels I do know that for some management employees at DAL they can have work in the city for several days but the company will not pay for a hotel inside the city. DALPA may.
Not the company though. I'm sure they want to cut that bill and that sucks because I love NYC long overnights.
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11-19-2011, 02:41 PM
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From the December flight ops update. Apologies if already posted.
NO PILOT HIRING ANTICIPATED IN 2012
Planned pilot hours are down in 2012 and we do not anticipate hiring during the next 12 months. However, we
are aware of the impending wave of pilots who will reach age 65 in the next 5-15 years and we are
continuously analyzing the situation. One point of interest is that among the domestic legacy carriers Delta has
the highest pilot average age. Crew Resources is working closely with Flight Training to identify our maximum
new-hire throughput in order to develop a long-term hiring plan. We are aware that this issue is not exclusive to
Delta and is both a domestic and worldwide industry issue and as such we will be competing for a limited pool
of qualified pilots.
NO PILOT HIRING ANTICIPATED IN 2012
Planned pilot hours are down in 2012 and we do not anticipate hiring during the next 12 months. However, we
are aware of the impending wave of pilots who will reach age 65 in the next 5-15 years and we are
continuously analyzing the situation. One point of interest is that among the domestic legacy carriers Delta has
the highest pilot average age. Crew Resources is working closely with Flight Training to identify our maximum
new-hire throughput in order to develop a long-term hiring plan. We are aware that this issue is not exclusive to
Delta and is both a domestic and worldwide industry issue and as such we will be competing for a limited pool
of qualified pilots.
11-19-2011, 02:46 PM
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But are you sitting reserve in PA for LGA/JFK though?
I mean we should ask ourselves where should NYC reserve pilots sit SC reserve? Closer to EWR or closer to JFK/LGA where the vast majority of their flights will be? Or in the city, since you could go either way very quickly? Forgive my grammar as it was a bit off the idea was specifically for short call.
But, to me it would be just as fair for someone sitting SC in NJ to be transported to JFK/LGA from EWR as it would be for the reverse.
Just trying to make it less hell for all of those being displaced into NYC. Many of whom living in base, as a few non-commuters demand, and now they are commuting to cover 3 bases that are far apart and expensive to cover for not a dime more than if they were ATL, DTW, MSP, SEA or SLC based.
Or how about this - we could add a stipend for NYC based crews, no?
I don't think that's unfair and I don't plan to go there anytime soon for any reason. Just looking out for those who do. But I think that base deserves it. You can even say it's only for reserve pilots to help cover the costs of moving back and forth across the Verrazano bridge on short notice.
So there, option C: A stipend for NYC reserve pilots. $1000/mo. You want to be NYC centric, then pay up, damn place is expensive.
BTW, when it comes to hotels I do know that for some management employees at DAL they can have work in the city for several days but the company will not pay for a hotel inside the city. DALPA may. Not the company though. I'm sure they want to cut that bill and that sucks because I love NYC long overnights.
I mean we should ask ourselves where should NYC reserve pilots sit SC reserve? Closer to EWR or closer to JFK/LGA where the vast majority of their flights will be? Or in the city, since you could go either way very quickly? Forgive my grammar as it was a bit off the idea was specifically for short call.
But, to me it would be just as fair for someone sitting SC in NJ to be transported to JFK/LGA from EWR as it would be for the reverse.
Just trying to make it less hell for all of those being displaced into NYC. Many of whom living in base, as a few non-commuters demand, and now they are commuting to cover 3 bases that are far apart and expensive to cover for not a dime more than if they were ATL, DTW, MSP, SEA or SLC based.
Or how about this - we could add a stipend for NYC based crews, no?
I don't think that's unfair and I don't plan to go there anytime soon for any reason. Just looking out for those who do. But I think that base deserves it. You can even say it's only for reserve pilots to help cover the costs of moving back and forth across the Verrazano bridge on short notice.
So there, option C: A stipend for NYC reserve pilots. $1000/mo. You want to be NYC centric, then pay up, damn place is expensive.
BTW, when it comes to hotels I do know that for some management employees at DAL they can have work in the city for several days but the company will not pay for a hotel inside the city. DALPA may.
Not the company though. I'm sure they want to cut that bill and that sucks because I love NYC long overnights.
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