Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-18-2011, 08:22 AM
The Brown Dot +1
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EWR is not much of a factor at this time. THe only trips out of there that I am aware of is AMS.. and I am not sure that that is all year. Point is, that there are a lot of commuters in Pa, and those trips are NEVER in open time. THe last time I saw one was when I happened to check trip coverage, and a reserve got one of them.. but it never had shown up in open time. Personally, I wouldn't know how to even get to EWR if I got called out... it would probably take me half the day to get there.
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I had the same dilemma. All of my trips originated out of JFK. When I started flying out of JFK 6 years ago, I had 3 Jetblues, 6 DAL mainline and Comair, 5 American and Eagle flights that all arrived in JFK or LGA before my sign-ins. Before I was able to leave the base, since there were no bids for a looong time, this was whittled back to 1 comair and 1 eagle both leaving within 15 minutes of each other.
I went in to tell the CP I could no longer be a JFK commuter. The answer was you still have EWR. I told them that I wouldn't be commuting to EWR since my flying was all JFK and since I didn't know how to get between the two and wasn't willing to suck up a $100 cab, it wasn't going to happen...They may as well have said "you still have PHL or DCA or BOS.
I bid out the first opportunity, but there was a 6 month period where there was undue stress due to items out of my control.
11-18-2011, 08:23 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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I'm with Bar, end EWR as a part of NYC. If you look at the EWR flying it's not NYC flying, it's one leg out of EWR to ATL, 4 days in ATL, one leg back to EWR on the last flight. EWR should just be ATL flying, not NYC.
Because look at the trips, 4-day shows at 0515 and ends at 2010.
Now if you're in Kew Gardens how in the world do you get to EWR for a 515 show? I'd say you go the night before. But what if you get a 0300 SC and they call at 314am. I'd pull the I'll get there when I get there but does the train even get there that early?
Because look at the trips, 4-day shows at 0515 and ends at 2010.
Now if you're in Kew Gardens how in the world do you get to EWR for a 515 show? I'd say you go the night before. But what if you get a 0300 SC and they call at 314am. I'd pull the I'll get there when I get there but does the train even get there that early?
I agree it is a PIA to get there from anywhere in NY. I don't understand why so many NYers fly out of there on United. Course JFK from Manhattan isn't exactly easy either. With the company shifting so many people to NY so as said the Junior guys can pay the lodging costs instead of laying over people here we should have a COLA in the contract for those who are based in the more expensive cities. But of course no one would be willing to give up anything for that so it is dead in the water.
11-18-2011, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Crew Resources
"NYC has one of the highest hotel costs in the system and opening a base there will help with these costs as the flying increases." ... No hiring the forseable future ... outsourcing flying to everyone.
Anyone know how many days until a strike vote? Need something to look forward to.
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11-18-2011, 09:01 AM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2010
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I'm with Bar, end EWR as a part of NYC. If you look at the EWR flying it's not NYC flying, it's one leg out of EWR to ATL, 4 days in ATL, one leg back to EWR on the last flight. EWR should just be ATL flying, not NYC.
Because look at the trips, 4-day shows at 0515 and ends at 2010.
Now if you're in Kew Gardens how in the world do you get to EWR for a 515 show? I'd say you go the night before. But what if you get a 0300 SC and they call at 314am. I'd pull the I'll get there when I get there but does the train even get there that early?
Because look at the trips, 4-day shows at 0515 and ends at 2010.
Now if you're in Kew Gardens how in the world do you get to EWR for a 515 show? I'd say you go the night before. But what if you get a 0300 SC and they call at 314am. I'd pull the I'll get there when I get there but does the train even get there that early?
Other wise, Flt Att golden touch, but they do not have to let you on, apparently the flight attendants can refuse to let you ride even if there are seats. That time of day a cab is probably over a hundred bucks.
Another solution for Delta would be to pay for cabs to/from? EWR.
Another suggestion for co-terminal airports would be for you to be able to specify the dept/arrival terminal for DH legs.
11-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Line Holder
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Yes it runs 24 hrs, but I think I'm the only one doing this. Take bus or walk to Subway. Get on E train to the World Trade Center. Walk two blocks to the Path train and take it to Newark Penn Station. Get on local Bus to Newark Liberty Airport. Takes 2 1/2 to 3 hours. Cost $5.75 (also meet all kinds of folks that still don't fly).
Other wise, Flt Att golden touch, but they do not have to let you on, apparently the flight attendants can refuse to let you ride even if there are seats. That time of day a cab is probably over a hundred bucks.
Another solution for Delta would be to pay for cabs to/from? EWR.
Another suggestion for co-terminal airports would be for you to be able to specify the dept/arrival terminal for DH legs.
Other wise, Flt Att golden touch, but they do not have to let you on, apparently the flight attendants can refuse to let you ride even if there are seats. That time of day a cab is probably over a hundred bucks.
Another solution for Delta would be to pay for cabs to/from? EWR.
Another suggestion for co-terminal airports would be for you to be able to specify the dept/arrival terminal for DH legs.
If youre going to try the crewrunner get on at LGA. If you get on from Kew its always pretty full to lga.
You guys can look at the schedule by going to the IFS portion of Deltanet and clicking on the NYC link at the bottom.
11-18-2011, 09:35 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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Yes it runs 24 hrs, but I think I'm the only one doing this. Take bus or walk to Subway. Get on E train to the World Trade Center. Walk two blocks to the Path train and take it to Newark Penn Station. Get on local Bus to Newark Liberty Airport. Takes 2 1/2 to 3 hours. Cost $5.75 (also meet all kinds of folks that still don't fly).
Other wise, Flt Att golden touch, but they do not have to let you on, apparently the flight attendants can refuse to let you ride even if there are seats. That time of day a cab is probably over a hundred bucks.
Another solution for Delta would be to pay for cabs to/from? EWR.
Another suggestion for co-terminal airports would be for you to be able to specify the dept/arrival terminal for DH legs.
Other wise, Flt Att golden touch, but they do not have to let you on, apparently the flight attendants can refuse to let you ride even if there are seats. That time of day a cab is probably over a hundred bucks.
Another solution for Delta would be to pay for cabs to/from? EWR.
Another suggestion for co-terminal airports would be for you to be able to specify the dept/arrival terminal for DH legs.
I try to block out one thing that happened there.
11-18-2011, 09:52 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2009
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Yes it runs 24 hrs, but I think I'm the only one doing this. Take bus or walk to Subway. Get on E train to the World Trade Center. Walk two blocks to the Path train and take it to Newark Penn Station. Get on local Bus to Newark Liberty Airport. Takes 2 1/2 to 3 hours. Cost $5.75 (also meet all kinds of folks that still don't fly).
Other wise, Flt Att golden touch, but they do not have to let you on, apparently the flight attendants can refuse to let you ride even if there are seats. That time of day a cab is probably over a hundred bucks.
Another solution for Delta would be to pay for cabs to/from? EWR.
Another suggestion for co-terminal airports would be for you to be able to specify the dept/arrival terminal for DH legs.
Other wise, Flt Att golden touch, but they do not have to let you on, apparently the flight attendants can refuse to let you ride even if there are seats. That time of day a cab is probably over a hundred bucks.
Another solution for Delta would be to pay for cabs to/from? EWR.
Another suggestion for co-terminal airports would be for you to be able to specify the dept/arrival terminal for DH legs.
Just know what you are getting yourself into.
11-18-2011, 10:07 AM
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Posts: 19,596
I'm with Bar, end EWR as a part of NYC. If you look at the EWR flying it's not NYC flying, it's one leg out of EWR to ATL, 4 days in ATL, one leg back to EWR on the last flight. EWR should just be ATL flying, not NYC.
Because look at the trips, 4-day shows at 0515 and ends at 2010.
Now if you're in Kew Gardens how in the world do you get to EWR for a 515 show? I'd say you go the night before. But what if you get a 0300 SC and they call at 314am. I'd pull the I'll get there when I get there but does the train even get there that early?
Because look at the trips, 4-day shows at 0515 and ends at 2010.
Now if you're in Kew Gardens how in the world do you get to EWR for a 515 show? I'd say you go the night before. But what if you get a 0300 SC and they call at 314am. I'd pull the I'll get there when I get there but does the train even get there that early?
We once were able to end all EWR flying on the 727. The company agreed it was a royal pain. The bid package came out with no EWR trips for the next month.
Crew planning was slammed almost instantly with pilots calling to demand an explanation as to why all the EWR flying that they loved went away. The trips were put back in the following month. The NJ and PA commuters raised a huge stink.
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11-18-2011, 11:44 AM
Can't abide NAI
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I don't recommend pilots using the Flight attendant Crew Runner anymore. There have been a couple of NYC pilots turned in recently for using it. It is for IFS only according to the rules, so be forewarned you could face a carpet dance if there is even 1 pi$$ed off FA who sees you riding and feels like making an issue....
Just know what you are getting yourself into.
Just know what you are getting yourself into.
If so, why do we carry them all over New York on "our" van? How many things to they "me too" on with the pilots.
Seems like ALPA and the CPO could agree nearly instantly that's a stupid rule and change it.
11-18-2011, 11:45 AM
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