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Old 11-16-2011, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Someday.. maybe not next year.. or the year after, or the year after.. or... but someday, something's got to give. You will not be able to hold management (and the shareholders) hostage like you have in the past. They are handcuffed, and that cannot continue. The question is whether you have the balls to strike, and whether that Karma will bite you in the buttinski when/if you do. After your display as of late, I can wager that you won't have much support from the rest of the industry. You might have a problem that you created right in your own backyard. Pass the popcorn.
I try not to comment on Delta threads because I know I only have a small snapshot of what goes on there and very little insight to add about your operation. But, since SWA seems to be such a hot topic of conversation here, and I am a former ALPA member, I sometimes feel the need to clear up blatant misstatements. Tsquare's statements completely display the defeatist strategy of ALPA over the last decade. If our management is in fact handcuffed, then SWAPA alone possesses the keys to those cuffs and we won't give them away without a fight. We still HAVE scope. Management cannot take something from us unless it is given. Management can only alter our scope language with our consent. We will not consent to scope erosion in this section 6 negotiation. I firmly believe our mergers and acquisition scope language will be tightened during this upcoming negotiation, since this is what the membership is clamoring for. That of course is in direct opposition to what Tsquare believes management must have to continue forward profitability. We can hopefully provide more disincentives for growth from outside sources. SWA management is actually on board with growing exclusively through internal means, this is a common goal for management and labor, but they will always look for improvements to their network if available on the open market. Carl is completely correct on this point. SWA wants, and needs complete control of their product and brand. They have no ability to codeshare because our CBA does not allow it and they really don't want it. Another benefit of actually having a sound relationship between management and labor. If some day they eventually have a desire to serve markets smaller than can be effectively served by the equipment currently on property, they will add a smaller fleet type and those aircraft will be flown by SWAPA. Trust me on this. Small jet outsourcing will not happen at SWA. If you want to find a reason that the vast majority of SWAPA pilots are ready to strike for, I guarantee this is it. What makes this statement have some validity, is management wants the same thing. Again, they have a desire to to control the product and need direct ownership of assets to accomplish this. If we do have to someday strike, Tsquare contends we have squandered any industry support. I don't know what he bases those statements on, but they of course are his opinion. Since we are a stand alone union, I guess we really never expected much support from others. We don't codeshare so there is no question of another company flying struck work. We don't outsource to regionals so there is no problem to contend with there. We don't belong to a national union so there is no issue of strike benefits to receive from others. So, I guess all we can expect to receive from Tsquare is ill wishes and his continued hope for our failure. That already seems to be status quo.
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Old 11-16-2011, 07:34 AM
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What's up with JFK--MAN/BUD/BER next summer all flights zeroed out in Travelnet?
Are we shrinking more?
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Old 11-16-2011, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
As quoted earlier in this thread, D-ALPA played a major role in Delta's outsourcing, which was copied elsewhere. Really, are you going to make me write the story again?

When you see Chuck Giambusso, ask him how all this came to be.
I had a sit down with him in 2001ish for a P-Check. I asked him about recapturing 70 seat scope. His replied was that the current economics (pay, retirement, medical, ...) do not work financially for DAL pilots to fly a jet of that size and "besides, what pilot would like to come to Delta from the military or regional to fly a 70 or 50 seat jet."

Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
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Old 11-16-2011, 08:07 AM
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Does anyone know if the value of a reserve day changes during a vacation month? Normally a PD would cost roughly 3.89 hours. 70/18=3.89

Now with 7 days of vacation there are only 24 reserve days in the bid period with 10 pro rated X days. So now 70/14=5. I'm not charged 5 hours per reserve day PD, am I?
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Old 11-16-2011, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven
I had a sit down with him in 2001ish for a P-Check. I asked him about recapturing 70 seat scope. His replied was that the current economics (pay, retirement, medical, ...) do not work financially for DAL pilots to fly a jet of that size and "besides, what pilot would like to come to Delta from the military or regional to fly a 70 or 50 seat jet."

Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
Why didn't you respond with "What about all those non 'heavy' drivers in the military? Are the C-21, G-V, Saberliner, etc guys not good enough to be a DAL pilot?" What moronic logic he had.
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Old 11-16-2011, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
What's up with JFK--MAN/BUD/BER next summer all flights zeroed out in Travelnet?
Are we shrinking more?
Maybe they are getting ready to announce a new JV with a British carrier.

Probably changing the gauge and you might have caught it mid upload. Go check the sked loads in the Marketing site.

It does look like they had bookings and the flights are cancelled though.

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Old 11-16-2011, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
All any of 'em get now is a blanket since da judge says yes to freedom of speech, but no to campin' out in public parks...
It actually is a private park that is for public use.
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Old 11-16-2011, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by sevenfiveseven
, "besides, what pilot would like to come to Delta from the military or regional to fly a 70 or 50 seat jet."

Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.
Probably the same ones I fly with it at my regional...I can count in the past two months at my regional flying with a retired NAvy Hornet Driver, an Army King Air (forgot what the military called it), and a Navy C130 driver. That's not counting the two Army Helo (both retired) guys I had the privelage of flying with.

They'll go to the best place hiring at the time and you won't be hiring if you continue to outsource.
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Old 11-16-2011, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Why didn't you respond with "What about all those non 'heavy' drivers in the military? Are the C-21, G-V, Saberliner, etc guys not good enough to be a DAL pilot?" What moronic logic he had.
I did...and here we are
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Old 11-16-2011, 09:44 AM
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I'm an ex Air Force guy and I'm happy to be here. On reserve sitting at home with my 4 month old son is awesome! Besides I flew the C-5 so it doesn't matter what I fly at Delta since all the planes are smaller.
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