1234

Yep, they need the delivery trucks because FedEx delivers packages, similar to the fact that Delta needs airplanes because we deliver people by air. All of the FedEx ground trucks where the EX is painted green are independent contractors and not employees of FedEX (the vast majority of delivery trucks).

I responded to Carl because he said:
I don't understand how you can include FDX in that statement because the pilots of FDX have zero impact on the brand as it pertains to the customer. I bet that 99.9% of their customers never even meet a FDX pilot. They do however meet the driver and that driver is most likely outsourced.

Now, it would be cool if a 727 could pull into my driveway for delivery's.

gloopy

FedEx customers are very much impacted by an operation that runs safely, on time, efficiently and smoothly. Pilots play a very large role in making that happen. When you go out to eat you rarely meet the chef, but you are always impacted by his or her work.

finis72

Maybe I'm wrong but the Legacy carriers hub and spoke systems combined with deregulation is the main reason the majors went to outsourcing. In the small feeder markets they couldn't at that time compete with start-up (think cheap money cheap gas) low cost carriers, SW on the other hand was a post deregulation point to point carrier that doesn't interline bags. Not a big incentive to outsource. Not saying it's good or bad just different business models. The economics are changing and I believe that outsourcing (RJ's) is a phase that has come and is in the process of going away (code share is here for awhile)
Regardless of what the keyboard warriors say DL makes more money flying DL pax on DL jets when it makes economic sense but when it doesn't they will continue to find alternate means to gain extra pax/revenue. I know this is a very simplified explanation but DL will fly their airplanes where they make the most money. For the first time since deregulation I think DL has finally figured out how to consistently make money. A profitable company floats all boats and it's time for our share !

nerd2009

Ohhhh, Ya I got it ! C Series 130 seat for ASA, ...because they are Delta Pilots!

Bucking Bar

As quoted earlier in this thread, D-ALPA played a major role in Delta's outsourcing, which was copied elsewhere. Really, are you going to make me write the story again?

When you see Chuck Giambusso, ask him how all this came to be.

Bucking Bar

Just like the rest of us. Wouldn't you prefer to be able to bid it, even if you choose not to?

ASA has some good folks over there. If something like this were to happen I'd bet that Charlie Tutt and Fred L had something to do with it.

1234

I am by no means trying to belittle what the pilots of FedEx do. Yes, they absolutely impact the brand. I was just trying to expand the discussion point about the fact that FedEx does not rely 100% on it's pilots for their brand. I should have just stuck with the example of the caravans and all the metroliner's and other "outsourced" labor they use to fly their packages around. As far as I know, the only company that has a 100% scope clause is SWA.

Bucking Bar

Bacon and Eggs walk into a bar, bartender says “sorry, we don’t serve breakfast.”

scambo1

Finis;

Please explain to me "when it makes economic sense?"

If all you have to do is sell the ticket (on somebody else) to make money, I can't think of an example of where maintaining a giant infrastructure makes economic sense.

If DAL is in the ticket selling business only, which I believe they think they are, we DAL pilots are just obsolete without MUCH STRONGER SCOPE.

finis72

Not arguing scope, we need stronger scope. I'll stand by the statement DL makes more $ flying pax on their own jets. DL outsources to get those pax on our jets. It's not rocket science