Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg

Correct. The FOs on the bus in MEM can do some damage to ATL, or any base they want to. It depends on where they want to go, and if they live in the South, they may want to make their commute as easy as possible, even though it may rival the DFW to ATL commute someday. Maybe you can drive MEM to ATL if you have to, but that wouldn't be a lot of fun.

Originally Posted by cni187

13 from the bottom on the 88B and I'm already prepping to be MD back to NYC. I'm thinking the MEM people will mostly come to ATL and flush out all us Junior peeps.

Originally Posted by LeineLodge

I'm trying to decide if I'd rather sit reserve in ATL on the 88 or commute to a line on something in DTW, MSP or NYC. It looks like you need to be at least halfway up the totem pole in NYC to hold a commutable line, so that's not very attractive. Maybe I'll get a wild hair on my a$$ and MD to the 9 in DTW

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

If you were to look at the seniority of the 205 MEM pilots you're looking at a group who is senior in the A category and junior in the B category.

The most junior 320 A is slightly more senior then the plug on ATL 73N A and the plug on MEM DC9 A is senior to the ATL M88 A plug. Senior A's there but not necessarily "old", just senior kind of like the 7ER category.

All that to say if flying will now be covered out of ATL for MEM flying then ATL will have a place for them and hardly be noticed. ATL 88 has almost 1,000 total pilots and the 737 comes in around 500-600. Adding 60 give or take or so pilots won't make a huge difference to those two categories and even to the ATL 320 category it's not an incredible jump. So if flying increases and that flying is covered by all 3 ATL NBs then ATL can take all MEM new comers... except adding 200 people to your commute would be pure unadulterated hell. It'd be one thing if it was a reasonable drive but MEM is far from ATL.

See people will go in different directions. I know if I was forced to commute my choices in bidding would have very different priorities then what people would traditionally think.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Super and all,

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. MEM is NOT that senior. Looking at just the plug doesn't begin to tell the whole story. The most accurate (imho) is to look at the average seniority for the entire category. Here's what I found (pulled off the Dec 2011 Category List):

For the 320 Captain
ATL: 3647
SLC: 3921
MEM: 3974
MSP: 4023
DTW: 4296

For the DC9 Captain
MEM: 5929
DTW: 6028
MSP: 6623

And by way of comparison, considering where these guys are most likely to go if they elect to change airplanes:

ATL 73NA: 2797
ATL M88A: 4864

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Keep it in context. You're looking from the top down and comparing it as one category versus another but I am talking about mandatory displacements on this AE. So seniority is relative here and in this case I'm looking from the bottom up.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

ftb, I took another look, and broke it into deciles. The MEM 320A is almost identical to the DTWA and MSP 320A all along the line from the 30% to the 90% decile. DTW is a bit junior at the 10% and 20% cuts. Unfortunately, I can't remember how to post a graphic.

So, I'll stand by my general comment -- the MEM 320A is really no more senior (or junior) than the 320 at the other fNWA bases. And when you cancel an entire base, there's no point in looking from the bottom up. ALL of them are being flushed.

I'll leave it to you to do a similar study of the F/Os. But the bottom line, is, it is what it is. We continue to synergize/shrink to profitability! Whoopee.

Originally Posted by gloopy

That means they would be agreeing to a 2-3% pay cut this year, followed by 3-5% pay cuts every additional year. COLA is not a raise, and less than COLA is a pay cut. We need to learn how basic math works before we try to negotiate with professional negotiators.

Originally Posted by FmrFreightDog

You're more optimistic than me. I have about 80 guys below me on the 88 in ATL and about 40 below me on the 73 and 320 combined (11500ish seniority). I seriously doubt continuing to sit reserve in ATL on the 88 or anything else is even going to be an option for me. Hoping I can MD to a line on the 320 DTW or 88 MSP and avoid NYC. Like you, I'm also considering going back to the 9 in DTW to hold a line if need be.

I'll be shocked if I can hold on to ATL after all the chips fall on this one.

Originally Posted by johnso29

Straight from the Council 20 update:


The AE bid will close at 1400 Eastern time on Saturday November 19th and will be effective for 365 days.* The closing of the MEM base will result in many mandatory displacements with associated bumping rights. Three digit seniority numbers do exist in the MEM A320A position. With the reduction of positions on the 744A and B positions and the closing of the MEM base a waterfall effect of displacements could occur. Be sure your cards correctly list your wishes.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

Interesting quote from C20. Go check the December 2011 Category position, available on the DeltaNet.

#1 pilot is 980
#2 pilot is 1749

So the C20 update is wrong. There is only one 3-digit seniority number. A bit misleading, don't you think?