Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-12-2011, 06:51 AM
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11-12-2011, 06:53 AM
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Some pigs are definitely more equal than others.
11-12-2011, 06:57 AM
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11-12-2011, 07:01 AM
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DCA/BWI to NYC
Any Baltimore/Washington area commuters to NYC? How is it working out? Thinking of maybe bidding the 320 Capt since there are 53 vacancies and it looks like it may go junior. I grew up in the area and have been looking to get back to the Chesapeake Bay from the Frozen North (MSP). Lots of Shuttle flights out of DCA (every hour if I remember correctly) then train as a back up and drive (4 hours) as a backup to the backup. Thanks in Advance for any replies.
11-12-2011, 07:06 AM
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11-12-2011, 07:20 AM
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It's Delta's version of "The Circle of Life" - Instead of hiring at mainline, just put the planes at DCI and move them around every 4 years so the pilot costs are always reset back to zero.
11-12-2011, 07:38 AM
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Super and all,
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. MEM is NOT that senior. Looking at just the plug doesn't begin to tell the whole story. The most accurate (imho) is to look at the average seniority for the entire category. Here's what I found (pulled off the Dec 2011 Category List):
For the 320 Captain
ATL: 3647
SLC: 3921
MEM: 3974
MSP: 4023
DTW: 4296
For the DC9 Captain
MEM: 5929
DTW: 6028
MSP: 6623
And by way of comparison, considering where these guys are most likely to go if they elect to change airplanes:
ATL 73NA: 2797
ATL M88A: 4864
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. MEM is NOT that senior. Looking at just the plug doesn't begin to tell the whole story. The most accurate (imho) is to look at the average seniority for the entire category. Here's what I found (pulled off the Dec 2011 Category List):
For the 320 Captain
ATL: 3647
SLC: 3921
MEM: 3974
MSP: 4023
DTW: 4296
For the DC9 Captain
MEM: 5929
DTW: 6028
MSP: 6623
And by way of comparison, considering where these guys are most likely to go if they elect to change airplanes:
ATL 73NA: 2797
ATL M88A: 4864
When you look at the 320 FO distribution of seniority on the DEC 2011 list, MEM is more akin to the distribution in ATL than it is in MSP or DTW. Plus, when you oversimplify things the way you just did by just slapping it with an average, you miss a lot of things. There is over a 1000 number gap in the 320 FO list (between 10500-11500), which skews things significantly if you look at just an average.
My point was that this can fairly easily flush the ATL 320B list. I'm hoping the CA slots and A330 slots added in ATL help offset this. Closing a southern base and having more and more flying moved to NYC will only make the south even more super senior in reality.
11-12-2011, 07:39 AM
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Yeah, I'm really not trying to... but I can see how it might come across that way.
I'd be careful with making that assumption. Delta is well known to change the mix of mainline/regional on a whim. Not that this is a perfectly comparable example... But when we moved to Little Rock 5 1/2 years ago, there were 3 88's and probably about 5 or 6 RJ's per day to ATL. It was a very doable commute because of the 88's. Eventually, it became 11 RJ's, 0 mainline, and the commute became an absolute nightmare. And that's with only maybe about 10 Delta pilots commuting out of LIT!
With the entire pilot base going away in MEM, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a higher percentage of RJ's flying between MEM and ATL than there is today. (Just look around in MEM next time you're there and see how many RJ's versus mainline you see.) Plus, I suspect you're going to have a lot of folks trying that commute. Ask the DFW/ATL commuters how well that works out.
Anyway, like I said before... just some things to consider. There are many other factors in making a decision like that.
I'd be careful with making that assumption. Delta is well known to change the mix of mainline/regional on a whim. Not that this is a perfectly comparable example... But when we moved to Little Rock 5 1/2 years ago, there were 3 88's and probably about 5 or 6 RJ's per day to ATL. It was a very doable commute because of the 88's. Eventually, it became 11 RJ's, 0 mainline, and the commute became an absolute nightmare. And that's with only maybe about 10 Delta pilots commuting out of LIT!
With the entire pilot base going away in MEM, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a higher percentage of RJ's flying between MEM and ATL than there is today. (Just look around in MEM next time you're there and see how many RJ's versus mainline you see.) Plus, I suspect you're going to have a lot of folks trying that commute. Ask the DFW/ATL commuters how well that works out.
Anyway, like I said before... just some things to consider. There are many other factors in making a decision like that.
11-12-2011, 07:46 AM
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If there are any connections still left in MEM (probably some RJs just like in CVG, although the future numbers will likely be reduced), we will probably continue to have mainline flights from ATL. We have to have connections to Hattisburg, MS you know? ATL to CVG still has almost all mainline, and I beleive that will be the same with MEM.
As has been previously stated, the purple tailed monster will prove a great benefit to those living in mem.
11-12-2011, 07:49 AM
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First of all, I was talking about FO's. I know you're a senior-ish 73N unionoid captain, so you can't see beyond that.
When you look at the 320 FO distribution of seniority on the DEC 2011 list, MEM is more akin to the distribution in ATL than it is in MSP or DTW. Plus, when you oversimplify things the way you just did by just slapping it with an average, you miss a lot of things. There is over a 1000 number gap in the 320 FO list (between 10500-11500), which skews things significantly if you look at just an average.
My point was that this can fairly easily flush the ATL 320B list. I'm hoping the CA slots and A330 slots added in ATL help offset this. Closing a southern base and having more and more flying moved to NYC will only make the south even more super senior in reality.
When you look at the 320 FO distribution of seniority on the DEC 2011 list, MEM is more akin to the distribution in ATL than it is in MSP or DTW. Plus, when you oversimplify things the way you just did by just slapping it with an average, you miss a lot of things. There is over a 1000 number gap in the 320 FO list (between 10500-11500), which skews things significantly if you look at just an average.
My point was that this can fairly easily flush the ATL 320B list. I'm hoping the CA slots and A330 slots added in ATL help offset this. Closing a southern base and having more and more flying moved to NYC will only make the south even more super senior in reality.
Correct. The FOs on the bus in MEM can do some damage to ATL, or any base they want to. It depends on where they want to go, and if they live in the South, they may want to make their commute as easy as possible, even though it may rival the DFW to ATL commute someday. Maybe you can drive MEM to ATL if you have to, but that wouldn't be a lot of fun.
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