Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-12-2011, 04:06 AM
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What do you think the odds are that they change the bidding software such that all trips (or a certain percentage variable each month) that a LCP bids, get removed from the available trips for FO's. This would reduce the impact to the company and therefore minimize/negate the "anticipated value" of this change.
Just thinking out loud, and yes, now my brain hurts....
Just thinking out loud, and yes, now my brain hurts....
Non starter, the company can only hold back a small percentage a month. Given how we schedule OE, holding back the flying is a non starter.
11-12-2011, 04:37 AM
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They have to face the very real possibility of a chapter 11 filing followed by a hostile takeover attempt from Parker.
What is really sad is that the AMR contract will have a big impact on the Delta contract. This is not good for anyone in the industry.
11-12-2011, 04:42 AM
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The company can actually not hold back any flying. If there are enough trips to build a legal line for a pilot in open time then that line must be constructed and awarded to a pilot who has a bid in for a regular line. The time you see left after a PBS run is the result of trips stacked such that a regular line is not possible to award. You also get additional trips dumped into open time almost instantly from Jury Duty, Mil Leave, Pilots who go long term sick after the run starts ect..
11-12-2011, 04:48 AM
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The company can actually not hold back any flying. If there are enough trips to build a legal line for a pilot in open time then that line must be constructed and awarded to a pilot who has a bid in for a regular line. The time you see left after a PBS run is the result of trips stacked such that a regular line is not possible to award. You also get additional trips dumped into open time almost instantly from Jury Duty, Mil Leave, Pilots who go long term sick after the run starts ect..
This week there was a charter to the South Pacific that did not make it to the open time pot. A few pilots caught it and called their reps.
11-12-2011, 04:52 AM
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Negotiations are all about power and who has it. APA shot themselves in the foot long ago when they actually had some power. The power has now shifted to the company side and the results will show up in the TA when and if they get one.
They have to face the very real possibility of a chapter 11 filing followed by a hostile takeover attempt from Parker.
What is really sad is that the AMR contract will have a big impact on the Delta contract. This is not good for anyone in the industry.
They have to face the very real possibility of a chapter 11 filing followed by a hostile takeover attempt from Parker.
What is really sad is that the AMR contract will have a big impact on the Delta contract. This is not good for anyone in the industry.
My belief is if AMR enters CH11, Parker, Anderson, and Smisek will bid on certain parts. The value the investors will get by removing an airline will be far greater than anything Arpey and AMR can offer. AMR really needs to avoid CH 11 at all costs to stay intact.
11-12-2011, 05:15 AM
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Negotiations are all about power and who has it. APA shot themselves in the foot long ago when they actually had some power. The power has now shifted to the company side and the results will show up in the TA when and if they get one.
They have to face the very real possibility of a chapter 11 filing followed by a hostile takeover attempt from Parker.
What is really sad is that the AMR contract will have a big impact on the Delta contract. This is not good for anyone in the industry.
They have to face the very real possibility of a chapter 11 filing followed by a hostile takeover attempt from Parker.
What is really sad is that the AMR contract will have a big impact on the Delta contract. This is not good for anyone in the industry.
Carl
11-12-2011, 05:16 AM
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11-12-2011, 05:19 AM
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Ya gotta watch out for those interweb rumots!
By Andrea Ahles
[email protected]
After a week of all-day talks and hopeful declarations, American Airlines and its pilots union could not reach a tentative contract agreement this week.
In a message to members Friday afternoon, the Allied Pilots Association's negotiating committee described the intensive talks as "productive" but "discouraging."
"We continue to work hard to move the process forward, but as previously briefed on multiple occasions, large gaps still remain in many areas, including compensation, domestic code-sharing, phased-in productivity tied to growth, a new hire pension structure, sick and vacation," the update said.
A tentative agreement would cover about 10,000 pilots.
No negotiations are planned over the weekend. American spokeswoman Sue Gordon said that the company was willing to continue meeting but that the union chose to take time off.
"Our team began the week with a goal of getting a tentative agreement into the hands of our pilots," Gordon said. "We believe we must continue to work toward an agreement that meets the needs of both our pilots and our airline."
American said it will prepare proposals to give to the union Monday before a union board meeting Tuesday and a meeting of the AMR Corp. board scheduled for Wednesday. The company had been pressing to reach a deal before the board meeting. It was unclear Friday when the negotiating teams would meet again, though the union indicated that it will take a break during Thanksgiving week.
This is the second time in two months that the parties have failed to reach an agreement after accelerated negotiations. In October, they met for several days at Lake Texoma in an attempt to strike a deal before the company's third-quarter earnings report.
By Andrea Ahles
[email protected]
After a week of all-day talks and hopeful declarations, American Airlines and its pilots union could not reach a tentative contract agreement this week.
In a message to members Friday afternoon, the Allied Pilots Association's negotiating committee described the intensive talks as "productive" but "discouraging."
"We continue to work hard to move the process forward, but as previously briefed on multiple occasions, large gaps still remain in many areas, including compensation, domestic code-sharing, phased-in productivity tied to growth, a new hire pension structure, sick and vacation," the update said.
A tentative agreement would cover about 10,000 pilots.
No negotiations are planned over the weekend. American spokeswoman Sue Gordon said that the company was willing to continue meeting but that the union chose to take time off.
"Our team began the week with a goal of getting a tentative agreement into the hands of our pilots," Gordon said. "We believe we must continue to work toward an agreement that meets the needs of both our pilots and our airline."
American said it will prepare proposals to give to the union Monday before a union board meeting Tuesday and a meeting of the AMR Corp. board scheduled for Wednesday. The company had been pressing to reach a deal before the board meeting. It was unclear Friday when the negotiating teams would meet again, though the union indicated that it will take a break during Thanksgiving week.
This is the second time in two months that the parties have failed to reach an agreement after accelerated negotiations. In October, they met for several days at Lake Texoma in an attempt to strike a deal before the company's third-quarter earnings report.
11-12-2011, 05:23 AM
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For crying out loud, I had that at my REGIONAL.
11-12-2011, 05:24 AM
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Super and all,
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. MEM is NOT that senior. Looking at just the plug doesn't begin to tell the whole story. The most accurate (imho) is to look at the average seniority for the entire category. Here's what I found (pulled off the Dec 2011 Category List):
For the 320 Captain
ATL: 3647
SLC: 3921
MEM: 3974
MSP: 4023
DTW: 4296
For the DC9 Captain
MEM: 5929
DTW: 6028
MSP: 6623
And by way of comparison, considering where these guys are most likely to go if they elect to change airplanes:
ATL 73NA: 2797
ATL M88A: 4864
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. MEM is NOT that senior. Looking at just the plug doesn't begin to tell the whole story. The most accurate (imho) is to look at the average seniority for the entire category. Here's what I found (pulled off the Dec 2011 Category List):
For the 320 Captain
ATL: 3647
SLC: 3921
MEM: 3974
MSP: 4023
DTW: 4296
For the DC9 Captain
MEM: 5929
DTW: 6028
MSP: 6623
And by way of comparison, considering where these guys are most likely to go if they elect to change airplanes:
ATL 73NA: 2797
ATL M88A: 4864
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