Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-09-2011, 09:02 PM
Da Hudge
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Ok. As a North guy, and someone who is still trying to figure things out....
.....how does a 365 day conversion AE work? I mean, does that mean there will be no more AE's out until next summer? Or, if another AE comes out in March, when do the people who got awarded something get trained?
Basically, I'm totally confused because:
1.) The company says by next November basically all the DC-9's will be parked. But, this 365 day conversion AE doesn't park all the DC-9's by November 1st. &
2.) The company says that by next December we will have 20 more MD90's. But, this 365 day AE only increases the amount of MD88 A's by 25 and 32 MD88 B's.
If I think about it any more, I'll just confuse myself more.
Did I just confuse anyone else?
.....how does a 365 day conversion AE work? I mean, does that mean there will be no more AE's out until next summer? Or, if another AE comes out in March, when do the people who got awarded something get trained?
Basically, I'm totally confused because:
1.) The company says by next November basically all the DC-9's will be parked. But, this 365 day conversion AE doesn't park all the DC-9's by November 1st. &
2.) The company says that by next December we will have 20 more MD90's. But, this 365 day AE only increases the amount of MD88 A's by 25 and 32 MD88 B's.
If I think about it any more, I'll just confuse myself more.
Did I just confuse anyone else?
The big SOC bid that nuked me off of the 767 was a 365 day window. I ended up in 73N training in May... and in the May "clean-up" bid I was reinstated to the 767. I chose to give the 73N a try.... wahoo.
11-09-2011, 09:03 PM
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The 365 just concerns when the conversions have to be done for this bid alone. They expect a lot of training on this bid so they used their contractual right to spread it out over 365 days. They can post another bid a month (or a week) from now and another a month (or a day or a week) after that. There will be more bids for MD-90's but that will come later. This is a little more random from the pilot's view than the APA system, but this is how Delta has done it and they know that system. Eventually they may change but this is the south and they don't change quickly.
Each new AE will adjust for the changes/shortcomings from the last AE. The next AE will most likely have more MD-88/90 openings and more DC-9 displacements. They will also adjust to the changing market conditions that affects how Hauenstein deploys our aircraft to make money (we like making money).
The bottom line is that there can and most likely will be overlapping AE's with multiple training/conversion windows. You have gotten the big picture. More MD-90's, phase out of DC-9's. Shape your bidding strategy around that.
Each new AE will adjust for the changes/shortcomings from the last AE. The next AE will most likely have more MD-88/90 openings and more DC-9 displacements. They will also adjust to the changing market conditions that affects how Hauenstein deploys our aircraft to make money (we like making money).
The bottom line is that there can and most likely will be overlapping AE's with multiple training/conversion windows. You have gotten the big picture. More MD-90's, phase out of DC-9's. Shape your bidding strategy around that.
I think I'm just wondering if this 365 day training window means, bid to get something on this AE, or don't plan on training for a new aircraft until sometime after November 2012.....
11-09-2011, 09:05 PM
Da Hudge
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11-09-2011, 09:11 PM
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I would look for a "clean-up" bid early next year which will account for more MD-90 positions and such. Then another around the first part of summer which will account for the rest that this didnt account for. The 365 day conversion window gives them flexibility to slow to base closings or training as need be as marketing changes their mind 20 more times.
The big SOC bid that nuked me off of the 767 was a 365 day window. I ended up in 73N training in May... and in the May "clean-up" bid I was reinstated to the 767. I chose to give the 73N a try.... wahoo.
The big SOC bid that nuked me off of the 767 was a 365 day window. I ended up in 73N training in May... and in the May "clean-up" bid I was reinstated to the 767. I chose to give the 73N a try.... wahoo.
11-09-2011, 09:24 PM
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The standard conversion window is 270 days. As for the rest of it, embrace the suck and just wait for something you want to bid and then look for your training dates. The rest of it just makes your head hurt.
11-09-2011, 09:33 PM
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Thanks Alfa. Thanks 80.
11-09-2011, 10:09 PM
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11-10-2011, 03:18 AM
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11-10-2011, 03:42 AM
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On the award page check departure date and enter the desired date and ON THE SAME PAGE check the pairing number box, list, enter pairing number, add to the big box, and then click the add box at the bottom or top right of the page.
The call center has been busy all day until around 6 pm then the wait times run 0-15 min. No guarantee it will be that way in the future.
Good luck
11-10-2011, 03:57 AM
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In the US all fuel costs must be included in the base fare for any ticket that is considered a domestic flight. We have big fuel surcharges on international tickets because that is legal.
As fuel goes up and down, the base ticket fare still needs to cover it.
Every other business can add a fuel surcharge and does. Look at your deliver fee for your pizza, fedex, moving companies, sanitation, etc, the list is long. We as airlines cannot.
RA's statement that he would love to see the fuel component removed from the base fare is a wise one. As a fee or surcharge added to the base fare, it can fluctuate. It is added where the taxes are added. It allows us to price a ticket at a constant rate, and then add the fuel on at the time of purchase or check-in, thus taking that unknown out of pricing.
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