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PS- The Compass EMB's should be flying at Delta Mainline right now.
I didn't say anything about schedulers wanting more, did I? The union doesn't need to be involved if a pilot wants to volunteer an extra sentence; maybe a bit more professional courtesy on the part of the scheduler, but not a union. In the case I cited, and the point I was making is that I'd rather have the schedulers pass along volunteered information than to get an unsolicited call from the CPO. e.g. "Pilot is in the hospital and says surgery may be required. Thought I'd pass it along because of your concern for your fellow pilot and his family." No one was going down that road.
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Attempting to restrict a pilot's freedom to speak on his own behalf is the road we do not need to go down. If a pilot wants to provide a tidbit of additional info you shouldn't be so opposed to that notion. I'm done.
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Is anyone surprised by the attacks on DPA? Looks to me like the ALPA supporters have taken to the tactic of attacking anyone and anything that dares point out the problems ALPA has. Working to provide an option for an alternative? Hearsay! You should only try to change ALPA by emailing your reps, and volunteering; anything else is complete lunacy, and devoid of earnest desire for bettering pilots' lives!
Honestly, I'm on the fence when it comes to which organization is better for representing my interests, but reading the smear campaign here against DPA leads me to believe the lady doth protest too much. Instead, why not a more intelligent defense to justify ALPA's ways, or an admission that many things do need to change without the standard rebuttal that you need to volunteer to change it from within, or write your reps, or attend a meeting or else your concerns aren't worth listening to? Sounds like all that has been tried, and yet we hear the same tired excuses. Members are apparently fed up with the same ol' lines that have worked in the past; they're tired of being taken for granted; tired of ALPA thinking they're too stupid or lazy to do anything about it; tired of the status quo.
Honestly, I'm on the fence when it comes to which organization is better for representing my interests, but reading the smear campaign here against DPA leads me to believe the lady doth protest too much. Instead, why not a more intelligent defense to justify ALPA's ways, or an admission that many things do need to change without the standard rebuttal that you need to volunteer to change it from within, or write your reps, or attend a meeting or else your concerns aren't worth listening to? Sounds like all that has been tried, and yet we hear the same tired excuses. Members are apparently fed up with the same ol' lines that have worked in the past; they're tired of being taken for granted; tired of ALPA thinking they're too stupid or lazy to do anything about it; tired of the status quo.
Fellow Pilots:
Rumors and tall tales abound on the topic of Lee Seham's relationship with USAPA. Much has been written but, as usual, please take note of the authors of these grandiose yarns and you may find some insight into the motives behind these stories. But here's what has actually happened. To start with, it is worth noting that the current Officers inherited the relationship with Mr. Seham - Seham was chosen precertification.
During the summer of 2010, we recognized that Lee Seham represented a single point of failure for our union. His firm is composed of himself as the sole attorney capable of litigating and a group of journeymen in support. If something, anything, happened to Seham then USAPA would be in trouble because there is no heir apparent inside his firm. And so we sought out to find another competent RLA firm, not to replace Seham, but one with which we could create and test a business relationship in order to eliminate the single point of failure. Competent, powerful labor firms are difficult to come by but after searching for months, we had narrowed that field to Brian O'Dwyer's firm when the Pension Investigation Committee (PIC) needed counsel to potentially investigate State Street Bank (SSB). The PIC attorney was conflicted with SSB, and O'Dwyer was the perfect fit with his extensive pension litigation experience and deep bench.
And so in the spring of 2011, the Board approved the creation of a business relationship with O'Dwyer and we started assigning work to this firm to test their work product. At that time, I personally called Seham and told him the reasons that O'Dwyer had been hired. I assured him that he was not being replaced. There is, after all and unfortunately, plenty of legal work at USAPA to go around.
Now I frankly would have been more than happy to leave well enough alone at this point and to not have to go into the following detail; there just isn't any value for us in telling every detail of the occasional unpleasant business relationship. But the truth of this issue has now been clouded by those who are experts in smearing anyone in their way - they are the dying emblems of old ALPA. So here we are; time for a little truth tellin'.
For a very long time we had been warned about problems with Seham by many others including the Teamsters (their opinions of Seham are not printable), SWAPA (the Southwest pilots' union, who terminated their relationship with Seham just this year for "incompetence and billing irregularities"), APA (the Allied Pilots Association, who fired Seham for a variety of issues including pro-management business relationships), to numerous respected individual labor and RLA attorneys who are aware of Seham's poor reputation among labor advocates. These concerns were relayed to us over time and we took each of them into consideration along the way by doing our best to investigate them and assigning some level of veracity to each of the claims. Each of these concerns with Seham were addressed openly and proactively with him in an attempt to correct problem areas and to stay on track. The efforts to resolve them internally were not successful.
One of the repeated concerns from others is that Seham has a record of becoming vindictive when his business relationships end. Through the late spring, despite my assurances to him to the contrary, Seham became convinced that he was being replaced. This was not ever the plan. The plan was only to eliminate the single point of failure for our organization. At this point, Mr. Seham started engaging in the political process inappropriately. There is never a time when counsel should be politically engaged within the union, but this in fact happened on two occasions where Seham participated in secret telephone calls with certain Board members, plotting for the overthrow of Officers who he believed stood in the path of his USAPA revenue stream. (These calls are acknowledged by those who participated.) This behavior is not only outrageous; it breaches his fiduciary obligation to USAPA as counsel.
The politics continued when Seham began informing line pilots that he wasn't consulted about USAPA's status quo filing in the Eastern District of New York (EDNY) and that the filing would fail and be harmful to our other litigations. This was most remarkable because Mr. Seham was in full favor and support of the EDNY filing - right up until the time that he wasn't the one filing the case. The EDNY case was filed because we believe the Company has been violating the law by frustrating the grievance, arbitration and negotiating process to their economic advantage. When the Company violates the law, I believe that the pilots want us to fight back with the tools available regardless of how much of an uphill battle it is to show up in court in America as a labor union. And that is what we did - we made a tough decision to defend the pilots' rights with the EDNY filing.
Finally, concerns over Mr. Seham's billing practices were coming to light. Although, by his own admission, we had substantially reduced our use of his firm during the late spring and summer, Seham's bills were actually increasing. At this point we became aware of the overbilling problems the Southwest pilots had encountered with Seham. Scrutiny of the bills produced more questions than answers and we sought professional advice to protect the organization. Many firms specializing in auditing legal bills were contacted and interviewed. Preliminary reviews by auditors told us that the Seham bills were "un-auditable", "some of the most uninformative invoices ever seen", and "a significant deviation from the standard bills law firms submit". This preliminary indication that there may have been irregularities in Seham's billing practices with USAPA is a situation that the Board has a responsibility to look into. And so, faced with these allegations, I recommended that the Board authorize an audit of all of our legal bills, which is under way. Unfortunately, after eight weeks of asking the Seham firm for the information necessary to audit the bills, not a single shred of the requested information has been forthcoming. Zero.
Interestingly, instead of cooperating with USAPA and simply providing the requested documentation, Seham has retained counsel which specializes in defending attorneys against ethics charges and disbarment proceedings. I for one find it interesting that he feels the need for this when he has simply been asked to provide substantiation for his billing to us. USAPA has an absolute right to the information we are requesting. The audit will proceed, with or without Mr. Seham's cooperation. Each of our other law firms has indicated they will cooperate fully.
We have found that Mr. Seham has presided over his own demise at many labor unions, and he certainly isn't helping himself here at USAPA. I would be happier if this all were not so, but our obligations to maintain competent, ethical and effective counsel will not be hindered.
I am happy to report that attorneys Brian O'Dwyer and Pat Szymanski are offering us many opportunities that were not previously available. Most recently, the Board approved the reassignment of the Phoenix Declaratory Judgment case to Szymanski and O'Dwyer. Aside from the fact that we cannot be represented by a firm that presents basic trust issues, O'Dwyer is a seasoned labor attorney with political clout that was simply unavailable before. Szymanski is a very experienced RLA attorney who served as general counsel to the Teamsters and Mr. Hoffa for seven years. Their approach is decidedly different from the high confrontation that marked Seham's interaction with everyone, from the judges to his attorney counterparts on the other side. Being advocates for your position doesn't require foment and hostility with those on the other side. A fresh approach to our legal strategy will produce healthier results.
I know that there are additional questions that have been raised. If you want more information, one accurate place to get more information is the recent CLT update that you can read by clicking here. In addition, we have assembled a short series of Q&As on this topic that you can read by clicking here.
None of these decisions were made lightly. All were made after due deliberation and after a full review of the facts. This organization will be managed methodically and dispassionately with only your best interests in mind. I am extremely confident that we are in a position to move forward with more competent legal counsel than we had before. We are well aware that all of this may not be very interesting to many pilots and we will be communicating to you on the critical topics of the status of our contract and seniority dispute in the next few days.
Sincerely,
Captain Michael Cleary
President
DPA has been very clear from the getgo that Seham is only an interim law firm. DPA membership will be given a chance to choose what legal entity represents them. ALPA guys here keep trying to smear DPA by digging up dirt on Seham. Its really simply, let me state again, Seham is helping navigate legal questions as they pop up right now but have NOT been given any contract, a promise of contract, wink of the eye or anything else going forward. ALPA guys need to look for something else to pick on. Nothing to see here folks. Move along....
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They have a better system for discovering this: schedulers not shutting down a pilot when he attempts to volunteer the seriousness of his ailment. I have a friend who called in sick due to severe internal cramping and discomfort. He attempted to provide a short explanation as to the seriousness of the situation (i.e. was in the hospital for two days), but was cut short with a curt, "OK, call when you're no longer sick."
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DPA has been very clear from the getgo that Seham is only an interim law firm. DPA membership will be given a chance to choose what legal entity represents them. ALPA guys here keep trying to smear DPA by digging up dirt on Seham. Its really simply, let me state again, Seham is helping navigate legal questions as they pop up right now but have NOT been given any contract, a promise of contract, wink of the eye or anything else going forward. ALPA guys need to look for something else to pick on. Nothing to see here folks. Move along....
DPA has been very clear from the getgo that Seham is only an interim law firm. DPA membership will be given a chance to choose what legal entity represents them. ALPA guys here keep trying to smear DPA by digging up dirt on Seham. Its really simply, let me state again, Seham is helping navigate legal questions as they pop up right now but have NOT been given any contract, a promise of contract, wink of the eye or anything else going forward. ALPA guys need to look for something else to pick on. Nothing to see here folks. Move along....
Move along??? Give me a break. You think only alpa supporters are bringing this up? Wrong. As a dpa supporter I have searched for this kind of info as well. I have come to the conclusion that Seham needs to go.....yesterday. We need to hear the pros and cons and come to an informed decision. I don't like Seham and will NOT continue to support DPA with his firm anywhere near my wallet. BTW, I'll be at the 44 meeting today voting on resolutions, making my voice heard using the union we have to better my job. Get rid of Seham now and I'll revisit DPA......after the contract is done. Dpa didn't get the support required soon enough and is now becoming a divider in our upcoming negotiations.
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I wasn't saying growth is a concession (unless it's a two-year pay freeze for RFP / growth aircraft like Delta offered Comair pilots in 2005).
Rather, changing Delta's three month "stay honest" JV window into a three year "stay honest" JV window would be a concession, or relaxation, or whatever the negotiators want to call it.
Without union transparency, there's no definitive answer to the question "what did we get for this, if anything?"
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