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Old 11-06-2011, 07:05 AM
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Wow, is this true? Does DPA still use this guy?
Why yes. So does the NBA refs union. Also, the former ALPA president and a distinguished fellow aviator thinks he's great as well. See below:














All of these other opinions notwithstanding, I know you probably hate the Seham firm because of their lack of rat inflation activity.

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Old 11-06-2011, 07:18 AM
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Disregard found it the old fashioned way - surfin the Dnet.


Anyone know if you can use the PBS desktop application with a MAC? No.
Also, where do you download the desktop application? PBS- Settings.

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Old 11-06-2011, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Carl, I assumed you are smart enough to know we could not operate the airline under the SWAPA contract.
We could absolutely operate on day one with the SWAPA contract exactly as is. Sadly, the only thing we would have to change is SWAPA's scope to allow our current outsourcing contracts to sunset via some type of transition agreement. All other portions of the SWAPA contract will work on day one.

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They are radically different operations. It would require a total rewrite.
I'm advocating a total replacement...not rewrite. Throw our POS contract in the garbage can, and put the total SWAPA contract on the table in its place.

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I doubt they have much in the SWAPA contract concerning 12 plus hour international operations as a example.
We'd keep our current crew augmentation, just have 20 or 22 TFP's per long international leg. Easy.

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The next thing is that the SWAPA contract is a long way from restoration.
This only shows you don't know what's in the SWAPA contract. It's not your fault though. DALPA spends all its time lying about what's in the SWAPA contract.

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The NMB is going to look at total block hour costs and bringing the Delta pilots up to the SWAPA block hour costs is not a big raise contrary to what you may think.
You have no idea what the NMB will look at. None. The NMB can look at whatever THEY decide they want to look at. This is why putting the EXACT same contract on the table as our biggest competitor is such a smart idea. That's a direct apples to apples comparison. Problem is, DALPA and management are one in the same, and neither one wants us to achieve anything close to C2K restoration...much less adjusted for inflation.

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The data is out there. Take a look. The last thing is you seem quite willing to throw the bottom part of the seniority list on the street to get SWA pay by also granting the work rules. I am not willing to do that under any circumstances.
You should do the same. If you did, you'd realize that the SWAPA contract would require us to staff the same and probably slightly more due to our international operations. You'd also realize that SWAPA's scope would be the best thing for the bottom part of our seniority list. The fact that you are so willing to not fight for SWAPA's scope shows me that it is YOU who are willing to throw the bottom part of our seniority list out on the street.

Wise up!

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Old 11-06-2011, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
Sorry but I not buying the argument that we should be fearful of what COULD happen as a reason to support the status quo that is ALPA.

I'm not buying it and DPA just got another authorization card sent in today.

I'm sick and tired of being given piecemeal information while being told WHAT I should be asking for. The survey was a carefully crafted manipulation tool that can, and will, be thrown back in our faces during and after our opener.

The spit in the face comes in the form of DALPA's decision to withhold the survey results from the pilot group, and that is the straw that finally broke the camel's back for me.


Wondering if anyone else could substantiate this....
I've also been told that the TWA lawsuit against ALPA would come out to a financial penalty equivalent to $16,000 per pilot.
Not trying to spread this rumor, just would like to know the accuracy of it.
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Old 11-06-2011, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
I'm with you, about being responsible in some way as a dues-paying union member to pay off this costly lawsuit. Since when did I become responsible for all of ALPA's mistakes. I try to keep a level head without jumping to conclusions, but having to take our dues and use them to pay for this lawsuit is beyond my boiling point.


As far as DPA is concerned, I think each and every in-house labor union self defines themselves as a group. The APA group is very different from the USAPA or SWAPA, I'm not saying it will be a walk in the park, but I'm willing to hear the case presented to us. If we can keep a clean simplified balance sheet with very direct, clear communication, then I don't see any reason to fear a transition to DPA.
I'm not saying necessarily that I would vote for DPA at this point in time, but I would like to hear more information about it while being open to a vote in the near future. (Preferably after DALPA's opener is made public to the pilot group)


Now Carl.....Where can I find an authorization card?
Here's the problem deadhead, DALPA's opener will NOT be made public to this pilot group. Not even a summary. That was precisely stated by the council 20 LEC chairman. You won't know how bad the opener was until you see the TA for you to vote on. And that will be far too late because even with a NO vote and total solidarity, you'll never do better than the opening position. If that opener was horribly weak, then horribly weak is the best you can do...even if you vote in DPA.

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Old 11-06-2011, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Hey Carl, I couldn't care less about what he is touting about the SWAPA contract. The bug under my blanket about guys like him is that he wants us to get a better contract so that they can benefit without ever having to do squat themselves. They are the worst kind of parasite. SWAPA has done nothing to better this industry... nothing.
To me, this has nothing to do with the topic at hand. My intention is to use whatever tools are out there to gain us the best contract given the new role of arbitrator being played by the NMB. With that in mind, I want to use the SWAPA contract as a tool to force the NMB's hand. How SWAPA got that tool for us to use is immaterial. The tool IS there. I want to use it. DALPA does not. Instead, DALPA wants to lie about it. To the extent that SWAPA guys come on here and call out the lies, that's good for us because for some sick reason, DALPA does not want us to use any leverage or tools to gain an industry leading contract. DALPA's only intent is to explain to us why we can't.

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Old 11-06-2011, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jabwmu
Reserve question:

While on short call how do the groupings work? I know anything more than 4 days you are grouped with others with 4 days or more. According to the contract it is suppose to go by Raw score, then inverse seniority when the score is the same within the same grouping.

If I have 6 days available (and senior) and someone else has 8 days available (and junior), and we both have a score of 0, who would get the trip (say a 4 day trip)?

Does having more than 4 days available come in to play at all?

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4-day bucket = 4-day bucket.
Then its RAW score.
After that it's completely up to the scheduler...
They may look ahead and based reserve availability on days 5-9 pick one or the other.

Your only form of affecting the outcome is filling out your "if needed to fly" preferences, but those are no binding and typically will only come into play if there are two trips to assign...

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Old 11-06-2011, 08:34 AM
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Old 11-06-2011, 09:02 AM
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US Embassy warns about possible attack on Nigeria hotels


The U.S. Embassy warns that three luxury hotels in Nigeria's oil-rich capital, Abuja, may be the next target of a radical Muslim sect responsible for this week's attacks that have killed 100, papers including Nigeria's Daily Times and the Washington Post report.
The sect known locally as Boko Haram may target Abuja's Hilton, Sheraton and Nicon Luxury hotels, where diplomats, politicians and prominent business people - both from Nigeria and abroad - often meet.
The U.S. Embassy's warning is a reminder that hotels - especially Western hotels where foreigners typically meet - remain a soft target around the world.
The Post calls the warning "unusually specific."
According to the Post, the embassy says "the attack may come as Nigeria celebrates the Muslim holiday Eid al-Adha and that its diplomats and staff had been instructed to avoid those hotels."


More fun for the malaria jet crews.
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Old 11-06-2011, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
4-day bucket = 4-day bucket.
Then its RAW score.
After that it's completely up to the scheduler...
They may look ahead and based reserve availability on days 5-9 pick one or the other.

Your only form of affecting the outcome is filling out your "if needed to fly" preferences, but those are no binding and typically will only come into play if there are two trips to assign...

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TO tag on.
There is a 5+ day bucket, a 4 day, 3 day, 2 day and a 1 day bucket. The 5+ day bucket is the one that we are looking at. If they opted for this bucket to cover the trip:
With both RAW's being equal and no one having a yellow in, the junior guy goes above the senior one. If the senior guy has a yellow and the raws are equal he goes first.
Also if one is on SC and the trip is assigned after SC has been assigned for the following day they can go to the next available pilot.
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