Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-01-2011, 11:55 PM
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It is difficult for me to define C2K as "successful" given its failure to protect jobs from being transferred and its monetary gains were subsequently surrendered.
IMHO Leo Mullin and his crew set out to destroy Contract 2000 before the ink was even dry.
The real skill is not getting something as much as it is keeping it.
11-02-2011, 03:29 AM
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For all the Mil guys out there. Delta does keep track of the 5 cumulative/consecutive year rule for mil leave and in fact they will make a very nice call to you when you near the 5 year mark and politely ask you to return or resign (its just business) They are very aware of all of the types of title 10 orders out there as the various letters and exemptions. Keep in mind I am referring to 5 year blocks of mil leave, not 30 days here and 45 there.
Actually, 16.5 years to crack the top half of the list is not to bad. It is 25% better than all of the 2000-2001 hires who are looking at 21 years to get into the top half of the list.
480 retirements between now and the end of 2015 that is why they are not hiring. No hiring in 2012 according to recent re-indoc class visits by big wigs. They truly seemed unconcerned about staffing, everybody was surprised. (and kinda depressed)
Good Luck to all it has been a crap decade.
Actually, 16.5 years to crack the top half of the list is not to bad. It is 25% better than all of the 2000-2001 hires who are looking at 21 years to get into the top half of the list.
480 retirements between now and the end of 2015 that is why they are not hiring. No hiring in 2012 according to recent re-indoc class visits by big wigs. They truly seemed unconcerned about staffing, everybody was surprised. (and kinda depressed)
Good Luck to all it has been a crap decade.
11-02-2011, 04:22 AM
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80, you are missing how this works friend. We are being used right now to undermine the negotiations of another organized labor group. I am pointing out how this works so you'll understand when it happens to us:
Air France's Cabin Crew called a strike and were only able to ground 12% of the operations. That's nearly no bargaining leverage.
Air France's Cabin Crew called a strike and were only able to ground 12% of the operations. That's nearly no bargaining leverage.
Such that if AF shifted over to DAL as long as we didn't up gauge a route we'd be compliant? I'd have to assume (DALPA) is monitoring this and assume we're not replacing them until we hear otherwise.
But it doesn't bode well for future strikes when JV and Skyteam can assist the lift but are we really replacing them?
11-02-2011, 04:29 AM
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Its frustrating to watch this. After Aloha/ATA pulled out of Hawaii there was a huge opportunity left behind. Prior to the Alaska flights just added out of San Diego, Hawaii flying represented 15% of Alaska's total flying yet has been been netting them 35% of their total profits.
I have heard wonderful things about Hauenstein. Watched as we added new international destination only to soon retract them. Not sure why he would overlook this oppertunity. Hawaii flying was a no brainer yet we have been and still are happy to let Alaska (and soon SWA) run away with it (we have actually reduced our HI flying). Could be I don't see the big picture (ie Delta is pulling back/reducing any overlap with Alaska for a future merger). If this is not the case it seems asinine to let an obvious profitable market go to other competitors. Does delta want to make more money? They could have, had they bumped up Hawaii flying starting a couple years ago. Scratching head.
I have heard wonderful things about Hauenstein. Watched as we added new international destination only to soon retract them. Not sure why he would overlook this oppertunity. Hawaii flying was a no brainer yet we have been and still are happy to let Alaska (and soon SWA) run away with it (we have actually reduced our HI flying). Could be I don't see the big picture (ie Delta is pulling back/reducing any overlap with Alaska for a future merger). If this is not the case it seems asinine to let an obvious profitable market go to other competitors. Does delta want to make more money? They could have, had they bumped up Hawaii flying starting a couple years ago. Scratching head.
First, I'm not ready to just sit back and let the AS deal continue as is but what if there was a plan? Let us say it's true that the west coast saturated, we'd lose money entering the market and AS has strong brand loyalty. So set up an alliance, allow passengers to fly on AS to a hub and then international with Delta, get them hooked on a Delta product and FF program.
Meanwhile, allow AS to take over HI flying and get out of that market. Then merge with HI, have no overlap and no issues to assist with government approval and then end AS deal and insert your own equipment back in the market but now you have something you didn't before - market share and loyalty.
And if you can pull it off, have AMR buy AS at a premium.
That's tin foil hat stuff right there.
11-02-2011, 05:17 AM
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There was a big jump forward in the seniority list released today, about 84 numbers for me. I saw some folks earlier today questioning where those folks went.
I just went through the prior seniority and category lists, and todays Nov 11 list and compared them, finding where the differences are. It is mostly FURLOUGHED PILOTS dropping off the list.
The furloughed list says that from the date of furlough (1 Nov 2001 for the original 400 this decade), you have 10 years to seek re-employment and inform Delta you are available for training. Today is 1 Nov, and counting up from the bottom of the list, I found roughly 70 folks on the furloughed list that I estimate are from the original 400 furloughed on 1 Nov 01, who have now dropped off, and are not back with the company.
So, it's really a "paper increase", no real gain and no-one flying actually dropping off the list, just list-fillers that haven't actually been here and flying for a long time.
I believe we will see another move forward in the next few months as MIL LEAVE folks drop off the list also. Almost all the furloughs were recalled in Nov 06, with the last folks being recalled in Jan 07 I think, maybe Feb. In any case, Nov 06 was 5 years ago... anyone who accepted furlough recall and then went on MIL LEAVE, who has NOT come back, runs out of their 5 year USERRA recall/return rights about now, with everyone done by Feb 12 I'd think. With 334 currently NBC/MIL Leave pilots, of which almost all have seniority numbers indicating they were in the furlough group, I would expect a large number of them to exceed their 5 year limit and begin to drop off the list.
Of the furloughed pilots, there's still 212 left on the list, and I'm not sure why many are still there; I know for certain that many of them I see were in the original 1 Nov 11 furlough, and have not come back. I've heard rumor that there was a possible extension to this 10 year furlough return limit, but I have not been able to find it in the PWA; the only thing I did see said there was a 10 year limit. Maybe alfa or sailing or someone expert in the PWA and it's changes might shed some light on this.
Hate to see folks drop off like that, but I'd guess it means they've gone on to bigger/better/mo $$ things.
I just went through the prior seniority and category lists, and todays Nov 11 list and compared them, finding where the differences are. It is mostly FURLOUGHED PILOTS dropping off the list.
The furloughed list says that from the date of furlough (1 Nov 2001 for the original 400 this decade), you have 10 years to seek re-employment and inform Delta you are available for training. Today is 1 Nov, and counting up from the bottom of the list, I found roughly 70 folks on the furloughed list that I estimate are from the original 400 furloughed on 1 Nov 01, who have now dropped off, and are not back with the company.
So, it's really a "paper increase", no real gain and no-one flying actually dropping off the list, just list-fillers that haven't actually been here and flying for a long time.
I believe we will see another move forward in the next few months as MIL LEAVE folks drop off the list also. Almost all the furloughs were recalled in Nov 06, with the last folks being recalled in Jan 07 I think, maybe Feb. In any case, Nov 06 was 5 years ago... anyone who accepted furlough recall and then went on MIL LEAVE, who has NOT come back, runs out of their 5 year USERRA recall/return rights about now, with everyone done by Feb 12 I'd think. With 334 currently NBC/MIL Leave pilots, of which almost all have seniority numbers indicating they were in the furlough group, I would expect a large number of them to exceed their 5 year limit and begin to drop off the list.
Of the furloughed pilots, there's still 212 left on the list, and I'm not sure why many are still there; I know for certain that many of them I see were in the original 1 Nov 11 furlough, and have not come back. I've heard rumor that there was a possible extension to this 10 year furlough return limit, but I have not been able to find it in the PWA; the only thing I did see said there was a 10 year limit. Maybe alfa or sailing or someone expert in the PWA and it's changes might shed some light on this.
Hate to see folks drop off like that, but I'd guess it means they've gone on to bigger/better/mo $$ things.
Minor point of order on the mil leaves. There is no 5 year limit if you are supporting a contingency/war. Its pretty tough to not be supporting a contingency lately if you are in the military.
11-02-2011, 05:21 AM
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11-02-2011, 05:34 AM
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If Comair or ASA or some regional of ours went on strike then doesn't the union monitor the routes and so forth to prevent us from flying struck work. Wouldn't the union keep track of this as well?
Such that if AF shifted over to DAL as long as we didn't up gauge a route we'd be compliant? I'd have to assume (DALPA) is monitoring this and assume we're not replacing them until we hear otherwise.
But it doesn't bode well for future strikes when JV and Skyteam can assist the lift but are we really replacing them?
Such that if AF shifted over to DAL as long as we didn't up gauge a route we'd be compliant? I'd have to assume (DALPA) is monitoring this and assume we're not replacing them until we hear otherwise.
But it doesn't bode well for future strikes when JV and Skyteam can assist the lift but are we really replacing them?
If I remember correctly, during the Comair strike, we would call alpa to see if our domestic flight had any Comair passengers on it. None of mine did, so the following could be in error: If your flight had re-booked Comair pax on it, you didn't operate it...theoretically.
11-02-2011, 05:38 AM
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In a couple of years? The Bernanke went on record last week saying he was willing to allow inflation to go up to get people back to work. There is a big divide within the fed's board over this.
11-02-2011, 05:55 AM
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I'm sure that has happened in the past, but the sad truth right now is if you are coming back from 10 years of mil leave, you are coming back to the same seat you left (plus/minus maybe one higher cat if your willing to sit reserve) at lower pay.
11-02-2011, 06:13 AM
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