Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-01-2011, 06:44 PM
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11-01-2011, 06:47 PM
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11-01-2011, 06:48 PM
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I might leave if I win $245M powerball.
But then again my plan is to keep that secret. So I might not leave. But I may drop a lot of stuff. Could you do that? I mean $245M is out there but say you won a lottery or something and were pulling down $500K on an annuity and didn't want to quit but you'd like to fly once a month. Just become a REG pilot and drop trips?
How does that work?
But then again my plan is to keep that secret. So I might not leave. But I may drop a lot of stuff. Could you do that? I mean $245M is out there but say you won a lottery or something and were pulling down $500K on an annuity and didn't want to quit but you'd like to fly once a month. Just become a REG pilot and drop trips?
How does that work?
11-01-2011, 06:48 PM
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Any idea how much Sir Obama's "stimulus" tax on the airlines are gonna pick pocket DL directly, if it passes?
11-01-2011, 07:16 PM
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I'm not going anywhere until I see what our next contract looks like. It will take me 16.5 years to reach the 50 percent mark at Delta according to the crystal ball. That assumes everyone leaves at the mandatory retirement age of 65 and the list stays the same size. I have news for you. Very few pilots are leaving early. I've flown with 63 1/2 year olds on the MD-88. Our list is shrinking. The retirement age might rise to 70. If that kid's post on the other website is true, he is making $72,000/year more than me to fly a smaller airplane. I like my current employer, but that's a hell of a lot of money per year. I would like someone to publish W-2's. ALPA tells me I'm not far off from Southwest, but the Southwest pilots are telling me different. I would like to know who's telling the truth. It's pretty sad how you just want to get rid of me. You would think you would want this place to be a premier place to work and not just a stepping stone. I have a junior buddy of mine who bid to the 737 recently to just get the type rating so he can move on. I know a 7er pilot who went to UPS while furloughed. He was furloughed from UPS and is back here. I asked him if he is going to stay when UPS recalls him. His answer was "hell no." The reason is UPS just pays too much more. It all comes down to the money and time off. I don't get much of either as a commuter on reserve.
Oh, and I think that DAL IS the premier place to work. Life is not all about the money.
11-01-2011, 07:53 PM
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I couldn't care less if you leave or stay. It's up to you. If you want the money so bad.. and it really is that much better.... then go. Nobody here is gonna stop you. As a matter of fact, I am sure there are a few guys junior to you that would be happy to see you leave too, just as you would those senior to you. Get the type... go to SWA.. make lots of money.. be happy. I'm guessing you won't crack the top 50% there for at least as long as here too.. Same grass.. different septic tank.
Oh, and I think that DAL IS the premier place to work. Life is not all about the money.
Oh, and I think that DAL IS the premier place to work. Life is not all about the money.
11-01-2011, 08:44 PM
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I'm not going anywhere until I see what our next contract looks like. It will take me 16.5 years to reach the 50 percent mark at Delta according to the crystal ball. That assumes everyone leaves at the mandatory retirement age of 65 and the list stays the same size. I have news for you. Very few pilots are leaving early. I've flown with 63 1/2 year olds on the MD-88. Our list is shrinking. The retirement age might rise to 70. If that kid's post on the other website is true, he is making $72,000/year more than me to fly a smaller airplane. I like my current employer, but that's a hell of a lot of money per year. I would like someone to publish W-2's. ALPA tells me I'm not far off from Southwest, but the Southwest pilots are telling me different. I would like to know who's telling the truth. It's pretty sad how you just want to get rid of me. You would think you would want this place to be a premier place to work and not just a stepping stone. I have a junior buddy of mine who bid to the 737 recently to just get the type rating so he can move on. I know a 7er pilot who went to UPS while furloughed. He was furloughed from UPS and is back here. I asked him if he is going to stay when UPS recalls him. His answer was "hell no." The reason is UPS just pays too much more. It all comes down to the money and time off. I don't get much of either as a commuter on reserve.
I posted something similar in frustration about Alaska and some guy jumps on here with the overused, wornout, tiresome, moronic phrase "why dont you quit and go over to Alaska then". You should know by now, you arent allowed to say anything negative as your company shrinks, your competitor grows or is making more money than you. Don't try to push for change. Just suck it up or quit and go to the other company. Got it?
11-01-2011, 08:46 PM
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[QUOTE=tsquare;1078668]I couldn't care less if you leave or stay. It's up to you. If you want the money so bad.. and it really is that much better.... then go. Nobody here is gonna stop you. As a matter of fact, I am sure there are a few guys junior to you that would be happy to see you leave too, just as you would those senior to you. Get the type... go to SWA.. make lots of money.. be happy. I'm guessing you won't crack the top 50% there for at least as long as here too.. Same grass.. different septic tank.
Oh, and I think that DAL IS the premier place to work. Life is not all about the money.
T,
DAL was the premier place to work and might still be for some Captains, but is probably not for most FO's anymore. One thing is for sure - if DAL does not want to "invest" in labor, specifically pilots, the days of DAL being guys first choice are over.
Sure we may have 12,000 applications on file but when FDX, SWA, UPS etc are all hiring at the same time as Delta, we will be getting their leftovers. At my former military squadrons guys all want SWA, FDX, UPS, as their first choice. The guys will all come to DAL ........ if they cant get on at any of these. It does not have to be this way and this next contract will be telling.
Along these lines - If the DAL pilots, meaning us, keep doing a bang up job and giving 110% under our basically BK contract - Why should the company invest in us? They will not "invest" in us unless it gains them something.
Scoop
Oh, and I think that DAL IS the premier place to work. Life is not all about the money.
T,
DAL was the premier place to work and might still be for some Captains, but is probably not for most FO's anymore. One thing is for sure - if DAL does not want to "invest" in labor, specifically pilots, the days of DAL being guys first choice are over.
Sure we may have 12,000 applications on file but when FDX, SWA, UPS etc are all hiring at the same time as Delta, we will be getting their leftovers. At my former military squadrons guys all want SWA, FDX, UPS, as their first choice. The guys will all come to DAL ........ if they cant get on at any of these. It does not have to be this way and this next contract will be telling.
Along these lines - If the DAL pilots, meaning us, keep doing a bang up job and giving 110% under our basically BK contract - Why should the company invest in us? They will not "invest" in us unless it gains them something.
Scoop
11-01-2011, 09:08 PM
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For all the Mil guys out there. Delta does keep track of the 5 cumulative/consecutive year rule for mil leave and in fact they will make a very nice call to you when you near the 5 year mark and politely ask you to return or resign (its just business) They are very aware of all of the types of title 10 orders out there as the various letters and exemptions. Keep in mind I am referring to 5 year blocks of mil leave, not 30 days here and 45 there.
Actually, 16.5 years to crack the top half of the list is not to bad. It is 25% better than all of the 2000-2001 hires who are looking at 21 years to get into the top half of the list.
480 retirements between now and the end of 2015 that is why they are not hiring. No hiring in 2012 according to recent re-indoc class visits by big wigs. They truly seemed unconcerned about staffing, everybody was surprised. (and kinda depressed)
Good Luck to all it has been a crap decade.
Actually, 16.5 years to crack the top half of the list is not to bad. It is 25% better than all of the 2000-2001 hires who are looking at 21 years to get into the top half of the list.
480 retirements between now and the end of 2015 that is why they are not hiring. No hiring in 2012 according to recent re-indoc class visits by big wigs. They truly seemed unconcerned about staffing, everybody was surprised. (and kinda depressed)
Good Luck to all it has been a crap decade.
11-01-2011, 09:21 PM
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I would leave for Southwest in a heartbeat. A fourth year first officer makes about $6,000 more/month than me. I make about 7 grand gross, he makes 13 grand gross. It's pretty evident from ALPA's stance that I cannot expect an 85% raise. Don't even start about retirement. Southwest has a 9 percent match. Their match is greater than what Delta gives me (I'm part of the 150 screwed NWA guys with no pension and less retirement percentage than every single other pilot on the list). I'm starting to think that I will be pushing hard to get on at Southwest after our contract is settled. ALPA has managed my expectations way down.
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