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Old 10-30-2011, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
Why do they need to give you the 24 hour rest?
Can't be on duty 7 days in a row.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LivingTheDream
First, very bad sign that the union has to extend the deadline...seriously? Second, we are a cash business...let's break our pay paradigm and get a per cent of the gross. Let's be a true cost of doing business like all the other vendors (boeing, airbus, ge, catering, etc.).

Now as far as the survey, from a 24yr 767 captain:

1. Significant reduction in scoped out flying, without it nothing else matters.

2. 40% day one. 5%/yr til next contract is signed.

3. 6hr/calendar day for all work events. i.e. fly, dh only day, suit up pay, layover only day, initial qual, cq, vacation day, everything is 6hr/calendar day!

4. 75hr guarantee reg/res.

5. Reg/res get paid the same on same rotation.

6. Return seniority to res. If it requires more pilots, so be it.

7. 23k goes to bottom of 23n & 23o coverage ladders. Also, must return within 4hrs domestic/ 6hrs int'l or midnight, whichever is EARLIER.

8. 401k filled to 415c limits by the company. In addition, for every dollar that goes in the north retirement fund for the select few, a dollar goes into a fund for the north/south guys that are not a part of this benefit.

9. Sick leave/ disability back to C2K.

10. Medical/Dental premiums/co-pays greatly reduced.

11. Eliminate agency shop...a line puke's only way to maintain a true check & balance on the union.

12. Stop signing NDAs...we are a public company...most information is readily availabe...NDAs promote the "trust me, I've got a secret, but I can't tell you" that greatly increases the mistrust from the line.

13. The union must stop accepting pay from the company...complete conflict of interest...I will gladly pay dues to cover our costs.

I am willing to massage these a "little", but not much.

These are my thoughts...not a personal attack on anyone/anything.

Good luck to us all.
Not that I don't agree with getting some/all of this, but what you list is probably well "north" of 1 to 1.5 billion a year in added pilot costs. VERY difficult proposition, especially with the fractured(donut) pilot group we have!

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Old 10-30-2011, 05:20 PM
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
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You are pretty much correct. However, since you're a reserve in NOV don't forget the required schedule check after you block in from that trip. They always have that one last shot at reserves at the end of every trip before you are truly "released". They could have cancelled or modified your rest, or assigned you short call or another trip immediately after your rest. etc. etc. Not likely, but possible.

Assuming you check your schedule and they haven't done any of that, then you have no responsibility to answer the phone or check your schedule during the 24 hour rest. You just go on long call at the end of it. The usual 12 hour leash.
Are you sure about not having to check your schedule during the 24hr rest? Just trying to get my own clarification too.

This is from the When Scheduling Calls document...
The last non-fly day check is not required on a day in which the pilot:
a. Is on vacation.
b. Performs, or is scheduled to perform, flying for the company.
c. Participates in training, including travel days.
d. Is removed from his scheduled rotation for company
convenience.
e. Is on company business.
f. Performs an SLI duty period, including a fl ex day.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:26 PM
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I may be alone on this but I sit senior reserve and I am not interested in a seniority based reserve system. Maybe something with YS pick ups but what's wrong with reserve is the pencil on paper method of determining trips all of which is hidden from us before, during and after.

It may be an Icrew thing as that system is horrifically dated.

But a RAW score system is fair and predictable imo.
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by trlaketige
Maybe I can help. As one who was "stuck" on reserve. You would put a card in (electronically) for position as a temporary block holder. If the company needed more, presto, you became a blockholder for the month. It would happen prior to monthly bidding and you participated just like permanent blockholders. I was able to hold a temp block for up to 6 months out of the year this way.

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"If the company needed more pilots" See, that's the rub (or one of them) In the current system, pilots "flow" back and forth between line holder (not block) and reserve at their own choice monthly. It gives you the choice and variety without being locked into one or the other. And as Ferd says, without monthly bids, it's even worse. Don't really see the advantage of separate "lists"
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Old 10-30-2011, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I may be alone on this but I sit senior reserve and I am not interested in a seniority based reserve system. Maybe something with YS pick ups but what's wrong with reserve is the pencil on paper method of determining trips all of which is hidden from us before, during and after.

It may be an Icrew thing as that system is horrifically dated.

But a RAW score system is fair and predictable imo.
I agree with you regarding the lack of "good" information for reserves. You can look at the reserves available and it might tell you there are zero available for a day and then look at the availability for the day and there are 14 people listed, some short and some long call. Now, I understand that even though someone may not be available, they are still on the availability list, but come on, how hard is it to have some actual good info for the pilots to view. Either you are available or you are not and if you are not, then they shouldn't show up on the availability list. Lack of I.T. and I am hopeful that our folks will fix it, problem is that is a low priority.
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Old 10-30-2011, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by firstmob
Where was this posted?
Email from Steve Hanlon Fleet Captain.
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Old 10-30-2011, 06:44 PM
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Old 10-30-2011, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Can't be on duty 7 days in a row.
Actually you can, as long as you have a "24 hour period" of rest. And even then you should go straight to long call but we look the other way with that little F.A.R. bending gem.

Come on C2012.
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