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Old 10-29-2011, 05:31 AM
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This was posted on that other board. It's a Southwest pilot.

I have RJ Pilot bills to pay, so I fly minimum 125 trips a month (no premium time for JR me). Easy to do as jr. weekend lineholder (310 hrs TAFB, per diem $2.15). If you want to work hard, vacation and training months can bring you up and sometimes over 145 trips. I am on 4th yr pay of $104.03. Gross $13,000 plus per month. Not boasting - I earn it....and my great employer values my work ethic and the "bottom line."

I'm on fourth year pay at Delta. I gross about $7,000 month being home 12-13 days/month. What's wrong with this picture?
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Old 10-29-2011, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This was posted on that other board. It's a Southwest pilot.

I have RJ Pilot bills to pay, so I fly minimum 125 trips a month (no premium time for JR me). Easy to do as jr. weekend lineholder (310 hrs TAFB, per diem $2.15). If you want to work hard, vacation and training months can bring you up and sometimes over 145 trips. I am on 4th yr pay of $104.03. Gross $13,000 plus per month. Not boasting - I earn it....and my great employer values my work ethic and the "bottom line."

I'm on fourth year pay at Delta. I gross about $7,000 month being home 12-13 days/month. What's wrong with this picture?
No kidding! I'm on 12 year DC-9 Captain pay and he made about $26,000 MORE than I did last year!
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Old 10-29-2011, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
This was posted on that other board. It's a Southwest pilot.

I have RJ Pilot bills to pay, so I fly minimum 125 trips a month (no premium time for JR me). Easy to do as jr. weekend lineholder (310 hrs TAFB, per diem $2.15). If you want to work hard, vacation and training months can bring you up and sometimes over 145 trips. I am on 4th yr pay of $104.03. Gross $13,000 plus per month. Not boasting - I earn it....and my great employer values my work ethic and the "bottom line."

I'm on fourth year pay at Delta. I gross about $7,000 month being home 12-13 days/month. What's wrong with this picture?

Hopefully this will be changing for you guys soon. I honestly can't see how it can't as long as everyone holds their ground in the upcoming negotiations
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Old 10-29-2011, 05:48 AM
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No kidding! I'm on 12 year DC-9 Captain pay and he made about $26,000 MORE than I did last year!
Here's another...

Just to give this thread a little perspective. Most here understand SWA is a place to be for the LONG TERM. We didn't come here for first (or second) year pay. We came for a career NOT the first three years
. I'm a mid senior Captain, work an extra two or three days a month and am on track to exceed $285k in 2011. I get 5 weeks of vacation that I parlay into a minimum of 14 days off per week awarded. The water is good here!!
That's for working 14-15 days/month. Can't wait for Sailingfun to come along and tell us all that when including the higher DC, DAL pay is within a few % of SWA pay.
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Old 10-29-2011, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot
Hopefully this will be changing for you guys soon. I honestly can't see how it can't as long as everyone holds their ground in the upcoming negotiations
Dalpa will be holding their ground alright.
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Old 10-29-2011, 05:54 AM
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No kidding! I'm on 12 year DC-9 Captain pay and he made about $26,000 MORE than I did last year!
Sailing will show you how that's just not true. Surely you're hiding something.
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Old 10-29-2011, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot
Hopefully this will be changing for you guys soon. I honestly can't see how it can't as long as everyone holds their ground in the upcoming negotiations
Our problem is that we have a union that has been completely co-opted by our management. Our union will not talk to us about our own survey results, and will not even discuss the opener after it's exchanged with management. Our union continues to lie about SWAPA's pay rates and lied about why they couldn't publish the contract comparisons with our joint venture partners like Air France.

For us to gain an industry leading contract, we will have to fight our union as hard as management because there's no difference between the two. We're trying to vote out ALPA and install a real union before negotiations begin, but we're still 2500 votes short. We have a very tough road ahead.

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Old 10-29-2011, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot
Hopefully this will be changing for you guys soon. I honestly can't see how it can't as long as everyone holds their ground in the upcoming negotiations
The way it won't is called apathy. Just finished a trip with a Senior ER A who was saying he should do that contract thingy - I had to tell him he had already missed the extended deadline.

We here on APC are pretty involved, the trick will be to get the rest of the herd moving in the same direction.
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Old 10-29-2011, 06:36 AM
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The way it won't is called apathy. Just finished a trip with a Senior ER A who was saying he should do that contract thingy - I had to tell him he had already missed the extended deadline.

We here on APC are pretty involved, the trick will be to get the rest of the herd moving in the same direction.
Agreed, when I ask about the survey, as in "have you filled out the contract survey"....several claimed they had heard nothing about it!
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Old 10-29-2011, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot
Hopefully this will be changing for you guys soon. I honestly can't see how it can't as long as everyone holds their ground in the upcoming negotiations
As long as we refuse to tolerate the debate even being framed around COLA being called a "raise over the life of" and get a handle on scope at all levels we might have a chance.

I'm sure we could easily get 30, 40 maybe even 50% fake "raises" if we did little to nothing over scope and it took half a decade or more to get those fake "raises". By that time inflation/currency devaluation will have taken away most or all of our fake raise. COLA over time is not a raise, it is merely break even to account for wage destroying headwinds. Its like an additional couple thousand pounds of gas to fly west in a head wind. That's not optional or luxury gas, that's mission critical gas just to break even.

COLA IS NOT A RAISE!!!!!!!!!!
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