Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-26-2011, 03:37 AM
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Sorry to butt into the Delta thread, but I'll make it quick. The $166,000 average salary that keeps getting quoted here is incorrect. The MIT website has made a gross error in their calculations. If you look at 2009, it says that average SWA pilot pay was $176,000 and dropped to $166,000 in 2010. That is simply not correct.
There seems to be an error in the total number of pilots at SWA. Their charts show a sudden jump of 5.2 crews per aircraft to 5.9 from 2009 to 2010. That number is not correct. MIT shows that SWA hired around 800 pilots in 2010, making their calculations wildly inaccurate. Actual number of pilots hired in 2010 was zero.
If you compare the total cockpit cost per block hour for narrowbody equipment, SWA cockpit cost per hour rose from $630 to $691. SWA's scheduling practices and contract did not change appreciably in 2010 other than a pay rate increase. To compare, Delta currently shows $552 total cost per hour for 2010.
Anyway, the $166,000 average salary figure is not correct. If you use the correct number of pilots, the average SWA salary is actually well above $186,000 per year. My past history of Delta bashing aside, that is the real info.
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0EQUIPMENT.htm
There seems to be an error in the total number of pilots at SWA. Their charts show a sudden jump of 5.2 crews per aircraft to 5.9 from 2009 to 2010. That number is not correct. MIT shows that SWA hired around 800 pilots in 2010, making their calculations wildly inaccurate. Actual number of pilots hired in 2010 was zero.
If you compare the total cockpit cost per block hour for narrowbody equipment, SWA cockpit cost per hour rose from $630 to $691. SWA's scheduling practices and contract did not change appreciably in 2010 other than a pay rate increase. To compare, Delta currently shows $552 total cost per hour for 2010.
Anyway, the $166,000 average salary figure is not correct. If you use the correct number of pilots, the average SWA salary is actually well above $186,000 per year. My past history of Delta bashing aside, that is the real info.
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0EQUIPMENT.htm
I wonder if forwarding an anonymous post like this to our negotiating committee would hold any water.
10-26-2011, 03:40 AM
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10-26-2011, 04:06 AM
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It would be dependent on a combination of seniority, behavior, and on availability/freshness of the salami being served on that specific day.
10-26-2011, 04:18 AM
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And can we finally bury that twerp Swellbar? Luvjockey just kicked his ass.
10-26-2011, 04:35 AM
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10-26-2011, 04:52 AM
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Crud
10-26-2011, 04:54 AM
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Deltanet-->Travelnet, book Nonrev travel ATL-LIM. Daily flight 767ER. Getting down is tough getting back is tougher! Don't trust the listings on travelnet, even if it shows available seats theres a 50/50% chance you will get bumped. LIM is just a place you gotta roll the dice on! Used to be a 767-400 (full most the time) but downsized for some reason.
I'm sure there are direct flights out of ATL and possibly JFK to Santiago.
I'm sure there are direct flights out of ATL and possibly JFK to Santiago.
10-26-2011, 05:04 AM
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I've got to correct you on this. You will be loitering outside the lounge, not inside the lounge partaking of the salami. The salami from this contract will be coming from a entirely different direction. One word of advice: Buttplug.
10-26-2011, 05:15 AM
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Seems that most of the respondent's post regarding the survey on this forum are fairly consistent. The one question I have is regarding reserve. When some express a desire to bring seniority into the reserve system, what exactly does this mean? Does it mean that the more senior get to choose to stay at home and not fly?
I expressed a desire to have two separate systems. You are either a line holder, or you are a reserve pilot. If your seniority can hold a line, then you can't randomly decide to bid reserve during the holidays to get more time at home.
If seniority were considered in the reserve system, instead of RAW value, wouldn't the more junior folks be getting a worse deal than we have already? If the systems were separated, at least the junior guys would have the opportunity to have a little seniority within the reserve system. And that seniority would only apply for bidding purposes, not choosing to stay home and not fly. Thoughts?
I expressed a desire to have two separate systems. You are either a line holder, or you are a reserve pilot. If your seniority can hold a line, then you can't randomly decide to bid reserve during the holidays to get more time at home.
If seniority were considered in the reserve system, instead of RAW value, wouldn't the more junior folks be getting a worse deal than we have already? If the systems were separated, at least the junior guys would have the opportunity to have a little seniority within the reserve system. And that seniority would only apply for bidding purposes, not choosing to stay home and not fly. Thoughts?
10-26-2011, 05:25 AM
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Seems that most of the respondent's post regarding the survey on this forum are fairly consistent. The one question I have is regarding reserve. When some express a desire to bring seniority into the reserve system, what exactly does this mean? Does it mean that the more senior get to choose to stay at home and not fly?
I expressed a desire to have two separate systems. You are either a line holder, or you are a reserve pilot. If your seniority can hold a line, then you can't randomly decide to bid reserve during the holidays to get more time at home.
If seniority were considered in the reserve system, instead of RAW value, wouldn't the more junior folks be getting a worse deal than we have already? If the systems were separated, at least the junior guys would have the opportunity to have a little seniority within the reserve system. And that seniority would only apply for bidding purposes, not choosing to stay home and not fly. Thoughts?
I expressed a desire to have two separate systems. You are either a line holder, or you are a reserve pilot. If your seniority can hold a line, then you can't randomly decide to bid reserve during the holidays to get more time at home.
If seniority were considered in the reserve system, instead of RAW value, wouldn't the more junior folks be getting a worse deal than we have already? If the systems were separated, at least the junior guys would have the opportunity to have a little seniority within the reserve system. And that seniority would only apply for bidding purposes, not choosing to stay home and not fly. Thoughts?
I think when people talk about seniority on reserve, what they mean is to decouple your raw score from your ability to pick up a trip. IE, if you are senior, you have priority for your preference rather than just lowering your raw by 15 points.
My input ref reserve was to have a shortcall day credit 16% of the alv. so if you flew a trip or sat shortcall, your credit for each would help you approach the alv. This would result in the possibility of a commuter, 60% of DAL pilots, being able to have a life as a reserve pilot. Also, Int'l shortcall would be 12 vice 24 hours, the same as domestic...manning positive.
My reserve bidding faux pas one month resulted in me flying 64 hours and sitting 5 days of 24 hour shortcall with commutes on each end of everything. I was not a happy delta camper that month and my proposals would hope to end that sort of life.
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