Herman

This is good. Buz came in w/ 67% (5yr). LtheDream 65%. (contract yrs ?) Herman 57% (5yr). TSquare 57% (4yr). ModCit 57% (4yr). RoadRun 35%. We actually had a drive by LUV appearance. Gloopy...rock on Bro...you too 88. Where's Carl?

Ralphie

I rarely laugh at most of the predictable, banal crap posted on this forum but that's quality stuff right there. Kudos

Jack Bauer

Sky Talk: AA pilot video blasts MIT airline researcher

AA pilot video blasts MIT airline researcher

"The Allied Pilots Association has released its video that criticizes William Swelbar, the researcher who runs the Airline Data Project at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Swelbar, a longtime industry employee and consultant, launched the airline project earlier this year, and crunches airline data on finances, employees, productivity and other areas. He's been quoted in a variety of publications, including the Star-Telegram, the New York Times, the Associated Press and elsewhere.

In the video, the first in a series of weekly updates, the pilots' union takes issue with Swelbar and some of his conclusions about pilot productivity. Cyndi Dawson, an American pilot and union spokeswoman, points out that Swelbar has worked for American when he was a consultant with Eclat Consulting. She also notes that he sits on the board of Hawaiian Airlines, which has a codesharing agreement with American.

Dawson says that Swelbar's project is funded in part by Airline Industry Consortium, whose members include American Airlines. "Mr. Swelbar presents his data in whatever format suits his clients," she says, calling him a "close confidante" of American "with a history of airline affiliations."

The union takes specific issue with Swelbar's claim that American pilots fly fewer hours per month than Southwest pilots...."

Of course Swelbar denies his ATA affiliation just as anybody caught with hand in the cookie jar would.

Jack Bauer

And if we vote it down the next offer will be even worse so we better take this one....DALPA even said so!?

tsquare

Yup.... If we just started getting paid when we sign in, that would probably equate to a 15-20% pay raise right there. So if the hourly rates were only increased 10%, Wall Street doesn't have to digest a 30% pay raise all at once.

(You might wanna check your CAPS key)

DAL 88 Driver

I think that idea has a lot of merit. But I think it would be more than a 15-20% partial pay restoration. What do you think the average duty day is system wide? I don't know... I'm guessing maybe 8 hours? So a 4 day trip would pay 32 hours. Currently, the average 4 day trip pays, what, maybe 22? With those assumptions, that would be a 45% increase.

Of course, we wouldn't want to have that backfire on us and then Delta sits us in hotels for long layovers not getting paid. We'd have to have some work rules to prevent that sort of thing.

forgot to bid

I like the duty day based pay. For one, who cares about the beacon anymore?!?! Problem fixed. If you waste my time then you're wasting your money, seems fair. I mean it's a bit silly the only time you get paid is when the beacon is on and the airplane is moving, I'm sure the FAA would not be pleased if we only waltzed in from the crew room into our seats as the beacon started- no preflight, no flight attendant briefs, no departure briefs, no paperwork, no customer interactions, no nothing.

Now this is how I think it could work. I'll go grab the total duty hours for the next 2 4-days in Open Time on the 88, 320, 73N and then two 777 trips in ATL and table them...



I think you can see the domestic aircraft would have the largest advantage and I think the 320 is a mess right now being a new category. I bet after a while it'll be the same as the 73N with 1.5 hours of block per flight hour. The 777 comes in at 1.1, makes sense, 14 to 16 hour flight and add 2 hours of brief and debrief.

IMO, the way to combat the block to duty date inequities for the international is a healthy international pay override or wild and crazy per diem when flying international.

As to 32 hour layovers in DAY, combat that with min duty hours per day. Looks like 8 hours would suffice?

But basically on the domestic side if you went to duty hour then you could have a 0 raise and the pilot flying 75 hours a month on average would go from being paid 900 hours to being paid 1,350 hours or 112 hours a month. For a 6 year MD88 B, the average for that airplane, you'd take pay for that guy from $89,000 a year to $133,000 a year. Someone flying 80 hours a month on average would be at $142K. Right close to the coveted SWA rates and that's with a 0% raise.

Not to mention you could cap flying at 80 block hours a month. No more need to have trip parkers flying 120 hours. Instead you fly 80, you get paid like you flew 120 and that means the extra 40 hours of flying you're not doing will go to another pilot and we can finally start having movement upwards instead of MD's out of 777s and so on.

1234

I am glad to see this and hope that more of the pilots that don't contribute to this forum are on the same page. Most of the ones that I fly with are on board. I thought that I was being generous with a min of 25% raise to start, and then a min of 10% year over year.

Also, I am all for increased profit sharing however, I don't want any compensation in stock.

Superpilot92

I said min of 35% day 1 with 5-5-5-5 yoy

Carl Spackler

I'm at SWAPA scope, then 45% at date of signing followed by 8% year over year. 6.5/day for ANY company activity.

Carl