Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-25-2011, 12:23 PM
At home on the maddog!
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10-25-2011, 12:54 PM
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My most shameful O club experience was at miramar during an F-8 reunion. I can / will never drink free shots of yeager coupled to a heineken all night long. Nothing good can/ did possibly come of it.
No I will not go into details...bad, just bad.
10-25-2011, 12:57 PM
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Sorry to butt into the Delta thread, but I'll make it quick. The $166,000 average salary that keeps getting quoted here is incorrect. The MIT website has made a gross error in their calculations. If you look at 2009, it says that average SWA pilot pay was $176,000 and dropped to $166,000 in 2010. That is simply not correct.
There seems to be an error in the total number of pilots at SWA. Their charts show a sudden jump of 5.2 crews per aircraft to 5.9 from 2009 to 2010. That number is not correct. MIT shows that SWA hired around 800 pilots in 2010, making their calculations wildly inaccurate. Actual number of pilots hired in 2010 was zero.
If you compare the total cockpit cost per block hour for narrowbody equipment, SWA cockpit cost per hour rose from $630 to $691. SWA's scheduling practices and contract did not change appreciably in 2010 other than a pay rate increase. To compare, Delta currently shows $552 total cost per hour for 2010.
Anyway, the $166,000 average salary figure is not correct. If you use the correct number of pilots, the average SWA salary is actually well above $186,000 per year. My past history of Delta bashing aside, that is the real info.
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0EQUIPMENT.htm
There seems to be an error in the total number of pilots at SWA. Their charts show a sudden jump of 5.2 crews per aircraft to 5.9 from 2009 to 2010. That number is not correct. MIT shows that SWA hired around 800 pilots in 2010, making their calculations wildly inaccurate. Actual number of pilots hired in 2010 was zero.
If you compare the total cockpit cost per block hour for narrowbody equipment, SWA cockpit cost per hour rose from $630 to $691. SWA's scheduling practices and contract did not change appreciably in 2010 other than a pay rate increase. To compare, Delta currently shows $552 total cost per hour for 2010.
Anyway, the $166,000 average salary figure is not correct. If you use the correct number of pilots, the average SWA salary is actually well above $186,000 per year. My past history of Delta bashing aside, that is the real info.
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...0EQUIPMENT.htm
Thanks Luv. That'll buy an adequate watch.
10-25-2011, 12:58 PM
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My survey was completed last week. Not to get into too much detail, but here were some of my "deal breakers"
*35% min pay increase from the start, but expect MD88 to exceed LUV rates, and larger acft to go north from there based on seats.
*SCOPE--decrease number of allowed >51 seat jets, plus possible restrictions on rj flying such as 500 mi distance limit, no hub to hub flying, sunset current contracts.
More limitations on codeshare flying. Scope is issue #1 for me and I communicated that to them in the survey.
*Min daily guarantee--Any Delta calendar day, ie. DH, CQ, 30 hr layover, etc. pays min guarantee. Period, no exceptions. Way too many 3 day trips with 11 hrs of pay.
*Reserve--75 hrs/mo and 14 days off. Rsv paid the same as a lineholder, put some seniority back in the system re: assigning trips
*Vac--needs to be paying way more than 3 hrs/day.
*35% min pay increase from the start, but expect MD88 to exceed LUV rates, and larger acft to go north from there based on seats.
*SCOPE--decrease number of allowed >51 seat jets, plus possible restrictions on rj flying such as 500 mi distance limit, no hub to hub flying, sunset current contracts.
More limitations on codeshare flying. Scope is issue #1 for me and I communicated that to them in the survey.
*Min daily guarantee--Any Delta calendar day, ie. DH, CQ, 30 hr layover, etc. pays min guarantee. Period, no exceptions. Way too many 3 day trips with 11 hrs of pay.
*Reserve--75 hrs/mo and 14 days off. Rsv paid the same as a lineholder, put some seniority back in the system re: assigning trips
*Vac--needs to be paying way more than 3 hrs/day.
*I think 5% over 5 years with a minimum of 5 encouraging phone calls, meetings, or commendations each quarter from an upper level executive/management type who smells of a combination of mahogany and expensive black label scotch. (I call this the 5-5-5 plan)
*Scope relaxation up to 100 seats in exchange for allowing pilots to sell commercial advertising space on their flight kits, luggage, and uniforms, in addition to 1 company-issued, monogrammed, blue Snuggie.
*1% point below LUV rates under the terms and conditions that it is formally/officially put in writing that DAL pilots are superior to SWA pilots in every other way as pilots and men.
*Vacation time to remain at 3 hours under the conditions that each pilot is permitted 5-10 minutes of loitering "free time" in the front lobby of a Skyteam Lounge of their choosing each calendar year.
*Sick time allocation and usage relaxation to allow pilots to trade banked sick time for on board beverages and snacks at a rate of 4 Twix or 2 Pringles for 1 hour of sick pay.
I know it's not what everyone might want, but keep in mind that the times have changed, C2K might as well be CULater because this is probably the best deal we are going to get.
Last edited by DeadHead; 10-25-2011 at 01:15 PM.
10-25-2011, 12:59 PM
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10-25-2011, 01:54 PM
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They are Golden only in the sense that Training Planning cannot schedule you for CQ on any of those days. They have nothing to do with RES golden days. CQ Golden days apply equally to REG and RES pilots as all CQ Training is pre-awarded and loaded onto your schedule before you bid for a month in PBS. As such, PBS has no idea (and doesn't care) if you will be a REG or RES pilot because the monthly schedule bids haven't been run yet. Clear as mud?
You bid them in iCrew and I think the montly bidding timeline/deadline just changed a little bit with LOA 29. The full explanation is on a PBS notepad under the crew resources tab on Deltanet, but I think you have to have them in by the 21st* with your EARLY/MAY/MUST bids entered into PBS by the 31st at 1800 ET*.
Rough Timeline of Bidding Dates (From the Crew Resources Page)
December CQ Bidding
December CQ Golden Day bids must be submitted prior to October 21st
December CQ Bid Window Opens: October 25th 1800E
December CQ Bid Window Closes:October 31st 1800E
December CQ Bid Results are Posted NLT 0800 November 5th
You can see the CQ Results for December are posted (pre-awarded to your PBS calendar) by 0800 on the 5th which not coincidentally is when the PBS bid window for December bidding opens. Again, you won't know if you're a RES or REG pilot until sometime around the 15th or 16th (but No Later Than 17th) of November. You then will bid your RESERVE GOLDEN DAYS by the 19th* of November for the December schedule. Again, clear as mud???
*check it out yourself, don't want to give bad info. I'm gonna look before mid-November as my CQ comes up in JAN as an early month.
You bid them in iCrew and I think the montly bidding timeline/deadline just changed a little bit with LOA 29. The full explanation is on a PBS notepad under the crew resources tab on Deltanet, but I think you have to have them in by the 21st* with your EARLY/MAY/MUST bids entered into PBS by the 31st at 1800 ET*.
Rough Timeline of Bidding Dates (From the Crew Resources Page)
December CQ Bidding
December CQ Golden Day bids must be submitted prior to October 21st
December CQ Bid Window Opens: October 25th 1800E
December CQ Bid Window Closes:October 31st 1800E
December CQ Bid Results are Posted NLT 0800 November 5th
You can see the CQ Results for December are posted (pre-awarded to your PBS calendar) by 0800 on the 5th which not coincidentally is when the PBS bid window for December bidding opens. Again, you won't know if you're a RES or REG pilot until sometime around the 15th or 16th (but No Later Than 17th) of November. You then will bid your RESERVE GOLDEN DAYS by the 19th* of November for the December schedule. Again, clear as mud???
*check it out yourself, don't want to give bad info. I'm gonna look before mid-November as my CQ comes up in JAN as an early month.
10-25-2011, 02:10 PM
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"...waste 5 minutes of MY time..." What a pathetic waste of a GOOD seniority number going to such as one of these. That is the real waste. If guys like these can not see the value of unity, we don't stand a chance. He is so self-centered ("MY time") that he'll never 'get it'. This next contract is about US. Not his precious 5 minutes. Unfortunately, the group of involved pilots have their futures tied to this slug. When you find one in your cockpit, make certain that you give him an ear full guilt trip that will, hopefully, get him involved.
.....rant over.....
.....rant over.....
10-25-2011, 02:21 PM
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Deadhead, is that loitering inside or outside the Skyteam lounge of our choice and how will we know if we get 5 or 10 minutes? Is it seniority based?
10-25-2011, 02:31 PM
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10-25-2011, 02:32 PM
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